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re: Pels get the #1 pick, who would you want to draft?
Posted on 5/9/22 at 11:15 am to CP3forMVP
Posted on 5/9/22 at 11:15 am to CP3forMVP
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I'm starting to come around on Paolo at #1. Offensively you don't see guys THAT skilled that young at that size.
i am too. I worry what's his position defensively, but i think he's going to be a 20+ppg scorer in the NBA for a whiel. He's got a great offensive game and he uses his body so well, both in the mid range and in the paint.
I just don't know if he can play the 5 with Zion, or if he or Zion can both play the 3/4 with another 5 needed for defense down low. The knock on him is his perimeter defense b/c of his lack of lateral quickness.
I would still draft him if he's available after Jabari, but his game is very similar to Zion's in that he's great offensively, but defensively you just dont' know what position he can defend. At least with Zion you'll get help side blocks. I think if you can trust in the work ethic from Banchero, then he can become a better defender, so that's really more of what i would be watching from him in the interview processes. You don't need to see any more from him as far as skill sets go, its if you think he'll settle as a player or if he'll push harder every year to be better.
picking him would truly be a BPA pick, b/c he's probably the one guy that we could draft that might be hard to find bulk minutes to give to him b/c of the current player personnel, i.e. Zion.
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Posted on 5/9/22 at 11:43 am to TeddyPadillac
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i am too. I worry what's his position defensively, but i think he's going to be a 20+ppg scorer in the NBA for a whiel. He's got a great offensive game and he uses his body so well, both in the mid range and in the paint.
I just don't know if he can play the 5 with Zion, or if he or Zion can both play the 3/4 with another 5 needed for defense down low. The knock on him is his perimeter defense b/c of his lack of lateral quickness.
I would still draft him if he's available after Jabari, but his game is very similar to Zion's in that he's great offensively, but defensively you just dont' know what position he can defend. At least with Zion you'll get help side blocks. I think if you can trust in the work ethic from Banchero, then he can become a better defender, so that's really more of what i would be watching from him in the interview processes. You don't need to see any more from him as far as skill sets go, its if you think he'll settle as a player or if he'll push harder every year to be better.
picking him would truly be a BPA pick, b/c he's probably the one guy that we could draft that might be hard to find bulk minutes to give to him b/c of the current player personnel, i.e. Zion.
I agree, the fit defensively is what you worry about. But, I always say you should take the BPA and worry about the rest later, so I don't feel like I can say that but then say you can't take him because I'm worried about the fit.
Though honestly I don't know how much I'm truly worried about it. If he's already 6'10", 250 lbs, with a 7'1" wingspan at 19 years old what is he at 25? I don't think it's unreasonable to say he's big enough and strong enough now to where he SHOULD be able to handle himself downlow, plus I think he showed some flashes of being a guy that can protect the rim at Duke. It's just a matter of if you can coach him up, and like you said, if his work ethic will allow him to get there. Though that's something only the team can determine.
But offensively, he's just so good. I think he could just as easily play the wing offensively in the NBA as he can play the 4 man role.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 12:00 pm to CP3forMVP
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But offensively, he's just so good. I think he could just as easily play the wing offensively in the NBA as he can play the 4 man role.
that's kind of what i would expect from him offensively, like Michael Porter Jr., but Banchero is about 30lbs bigger than him. At 250lbs, you'd expect him to be able to hold his own against most 5's of the league, and being that big it's going to be difficult for him to be quick enough to effectively guard the perimeter against smaller quicker guys. Simmons can do it at 240, but i don't think Banchero moves as quick as Simmons does.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 12:10 pm to SulphursFinest
I like to think that the Pels are creatures of habit so when they tried to get Zion and Ja in the same draft they arent going to pass up Ja 2.0 in Ivey.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 12:16 pm to 50_Tiger
I think Ivey is more like Ja 0.5
Posted on 5/9/22 at 12:18 pm to Jester
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Chet will get abused for at least 2 years trying to defend NBA bigs
Im not so sure. His length is stifling and help makes up for any ground he may give up. The unicorns abuse all defenders anyway.
Chet will make his money on defense switching and with help defense
Posted on 5/9/22 at 12:49 pm to 50_Tiger
I wonder if the pels dont get a top 4 pick if they try to trade up and get Ivey.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 12:58 pm to GynoSandberg
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The unicorns abuse all defenders anyway.
100% agree, but Chet is 195lbs, and that's not even big enough to guard the average PF.
He was able to use his length on bigger players in college, but i don't think that's going to work in the NBA, and there's just not enough on him at the moment to even bulk up enough to a decent size. Adding 20lbs is not easy, and even if he does that, he's still the 2nd smallest guy at 6'10" or taller.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 1:25 pm to TeddyPadillac
You gotta believe that he’ll put on the weight by the combine. That’s probably the best indicator to see if him putting on weight is viable early on. The thing I’m concerned with his weight is the fact that he’s already 20 and is still severely underweight. It’s not like he hit a growth spurt late either. He was already 6’9 as a freshman in high school. While I think he’ll put on some weight at the next level, it leaves me baffled that he hasn’t gained weight when the NBA became a realistic goal and that probably came about pretty early on.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 2:01 pm to LilWezyAna
I think chet can defend the perimeter with that much lenght.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 2:22 pm to supe12sta12z
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You gotta believe that he’ll put on the weight by the combine.
even if he put on 20lbs, which would be a lot, he'd still be small. He'd still be 10lbs lighter than Davis Bertans.
At this point i think you have to sort of look at him like a SF in the mold of Michael Porter Jr, and hope that defensively he can defend perimeter guys and bother them with his length, b/c he's just never going to be big enough to play the 5, even as a small ball 5. He's a small ball 4 at his biggest.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 2:26 pm to smoke225
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I wonder if the pels dont get a top 4 pick if they try to trade up and get Ivey.
I think they are much more likely to attempt to move back to 12-13 while dumping a contract like Graham. They probably don't see that much difference between 9-10 and 12-13, and it helps the future cap situation a lot.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 2:48 pm to TeddyPadillac
We shouldn’t be pigeon holing him as a 4 or 5. Part of his value will be his versatility, and we can find the right matchups for him as he gets stronger.
The weight is becoming overblown with regards to who he can guard. There are studs who cannot play an iota of defense. We at least know Chet will compete and even if he gets pushed around a little at the beginning, his length is going to cause big problems
The weight is becoming overblown with regards to who he can guard. There are studs who cannot play an iota of defense. We at least know Chet will compete and even if he gets pushed around a little at the beginning, his length is going to cause big problems
Posted on 5/9/22 at 2:49 pm to GynoSandberg
His defensive instincts, IQ and effort all seem to be very high level...which to me is about 95% of whether a guy will be a good defender in the NBA or not.
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:41 pm to SulphursFinest
Chet Holmgren.
Chet being a good defender in NBA is already almost 100% sure for me.
I take the BPA
Chet being a good defender in NBA is already almost 100% sure for me.
I take the BPA
Posted on 5/12/22 at 11:52 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:he may look weak but the kid is tough. Not afraid of the challenge. Even if he may get bullied in some matchups at first he’s not going to be someone that bitches out of it
Im not so sure. His length is stifling and help makes up for any ground he may give up. The unicorns abuse all defenders anyway. Chet will make his money on defense switching and with help defense
This post was edited on 5/12/22 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 5/13/22 at 8:31 am to Macintosh
I was listening to Sam Vecenie yesterday and he was talking about how there’s some concern in the intersection of Chet being weak and being a little to slow laterally.
Which I have to agree, you put those two things together and you have potential for disaster. I think Chet for his size is good laterally, and his length definitely helps, but I never thought he was great there. He’s not Bam Adebayo or Jaren Jackson.
Which I have to agree, you put those two things together and you have potential for disaster. I think Chet for his size is good laterally, and his length definitely helps, but I never thought he was great there. He’s not Bam Adebayo or Jaren Jackson.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 9:01 am to SulphursFinest
I have really grown to like Ivey the most of all of the top players available. I just think his athleticism will immediately translate and he has that sort of “it” factor/explosiveness that you want out of a top pick.
Obviously tons of comparisons to Ja Morant. Which would be incredible.
Obviously tons of comparisons to Ja Morant. Which would be incredible.
This post was edited on 5/13/22 at 9:03 am
Posted on 5/13/22 at 9:16 am to cas4t
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Obviously tons of comparisons to Ja Morant. Which would be incredible.
We've had quite a lengthy conversation regarding Ivey in another thread. The vertical and first step are reminiscent of Ja, but that's about where it stops. He's more of a Donovan Mitchell type.
Posted on 5/13/22 at 9:16 am to cas4t
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have really grown to like Ivey the most of all of the top players available. I just think his athleticism will immediately translate and he has that sort of “it” factor/explosiveness that you want out of a top pick.
He tops my wishlist too. Be an awesome 6th man for us and would make a huge contribution.
Honestly, just for the next 2 years. Given our current group, which player in this draft would make the biggest impact?
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