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re: Pelicans won’t allow Jose to participate in FIBA
Posted on 7/29/23 at 9:13 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 7/29/23 at 9:13 am to TeddyPadillac
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Dyson isn't taking Jose's minutes. If they want Dyson to be a PG, then he's taking minutes away from starters quite possibl
What position did DD play in summer league?
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Posted on 7/29/23 at 10:41 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
And PG is effectively our thinnest position. Kira is the odd man out.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 11:21 am to Jester
Kira may be the odd man out but I doubt they move him while Jose is still dealing with this. It's a long season so they should just let Jose take as much time as he needs to get it completely healed. Kira if anything can be insurance.
Maybe this explains why they haven't moved him yet.
Maybe this explains why they haven't moved him yet.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 12:36 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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What position did DD play in summer league?
When Dyson comes in to play PG, CJ can move over to SG, and that's a combo that works very well. In that sense, it's best to think of Dyson as the sub for Herb.
Jose, on the other hand, can't really play with CJ -- that just leaves our backcourt as too small. So, Jose subs in for CJ.
That's why I think that there are plenty of minutes for both Jose and Dyson.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 3:58 pm to Jester
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And PG is effectively our thinnest position. Kira is the odd man out.
The power forward is our thinnest position. This team doesn’t need a point guard.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 5:35 pm to supe12sta12z
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Damn I just saw that article. That's depressing to see him still dealing with it 5 months after it happened.
walton had to adjust his diet.
nowadays theres mk7.
Posted on 7/29/23 at 6:30 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Daniels is probably getting more reps in, and it’s what’s best for franchise to take Jose’s minutes.
Bottom line...the Pels don't really need a true PG...and one way or the other, they will end up finding a way to eventually have Dyson AND Herb playing together. CJ will be phased out over the next two years. I have no comment on Jose's future with the Pels...although I wish him well.
Plus...it wouldn't surprise me...if things don't go well this season...one of our two "studs" will be "elsewhere" before too awful long.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 9:50 am to Jester
Neither one of PG or PF is our thinnest position.
PG: CJ/ Jose/ Dyson/ Kira/ Seabron
SG: BI/ CJ/ Herb/ Dyson/ Hawkins/ Naji
SF: Trey/ Herb/ BI/ Dyson/ Naji/Landers
PF: Zion/ Nance/ Liddell/ Trey/ BI/ Herb/ Dyson
C: Val/ Zeller/ Nance/ Robbins
Every other position has 4+ players that can play that position or have flexibility to play 1-4.
Center ONLY has Nance as a flex player. And he’s injury prone.
If you take out Nance then we have (6) capable PF’s and (2) capable centers without knowing about Robbins.
We have (5) PGs NOT including Zion/ BI being facilitators.
PG: CJ/ Jose/ Dyson/ Kira/ Seabron
SG: BI/ CJ/ Herb/ Dyson/ Hawkins/ Naji
SF: Trey/ Herb/ BI/ Dyson/ Naji/Landers
PF: Zion/ Nance/ Liddell/ Trey/ BI/ Herb/ Dyson
C: Val/ Zeller/ Nance/ Robbins
Every other position has 4+ players that can play that position or have flexibility to play 1-4.
Center ONLY has Nance as a flex player. And he’s injury prone.
If you take out Nance then we have (6) capable PF’s and (2) capable centers without knowing about Robbins.
We have (5) PGs NOT including Zion/ BI being facilitators.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 10:56 am to Dantheman504
Just the sheer number of players at a position don't determine depth.
The number that can be legit rotation players is what matters.
The number that can be legit rotation players is what matters.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 1:17 pm to Dantheman504
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Neither one of PG or PF is our thinnest position.
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PF: Zion/ Nance/ Liddell/ Trey/ BI/ Herb/ Dyson
Trey and BI don’t possess the strength to do so effectively for long term regular season minutes without increasing risk of injury. Nance is breaking down(but he’s a high IQ player) and Liddell is a giant question mark.
Power forward is certainly our biggest concern.
Point guard is not because the Pels are deep at playmaking and shot creation. Organization is the issue, and I consider that a minor issue, relatively speaking.
Posted on 7/30/23 at 5:08 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Trey and BI don’t possess the strength to do so effectively for long term regular season minutes without increasing risk of injury.
This was mostly true last season. Trey was completely overmatched trying to handle post defense. But I know that he's bulking up some. Trey is taller than our backup center (Nance), and I think that defending the PF position is where his career will eventually end up, because he's too great of a leaper and could eventually become a dominant rebounder.
But I still agree with you that we probably don't want Trey spending a whole lot of minutes at PF this season.
BI, though, is a different story. The bulk that he added last season meant that I thought he was generally fine guarding opposing PFs. In fact, I thought that helped to mask BI's defensive deficiencies. He's reportedly added more muscle this offseason.
So, I personally want BI to be our backup PF. When Zion is off the court, I want BI at the PF spot. (Obviously, it depends on the opponent -- BI isn't going to do well guarding Giannis.)
Posted on 7/30/23 at 10:13 pm to GOP_Tiger
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So, I personally want BI to be our backup PF. When Zion is off the court, I want BI at the PF spot.
I would rather them be on the same rotation at least through the first 30 games they are both ready to play in.
They need every minute together.
Secondly, I don’t want Brandon playing the four at all. He’s might not be “injury prone” but he’s had a lot of freaky injuries. Any less wear and tear on him the better. Especially as Brandon is go to be doing so much creating. Though defending up could be good for him. I’ll concede that.
I’d like to see CJ Herb and JV be one “base” trio and BI Zion and DD as the other base trio with Trey floating between both and the 5th player on the court almost be matchup and situational dependent.
There is still a lot of offensive talent on this squad. Some emerging, some evolving. Pels needs some conduits to make things work around some primary guys.
With the lineup flexibility, it’s a fun thought experiment in the summertime.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 4:58 pm to Dantheman504
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PF: Zion/ Nance/ Liddell/ Trey/ BI/ Herb/ Dyson
Be curious to know how many minutes Nance played with a true center on the floor (Willy/Val) last season. I'm guessing not many.
Posted on 7/31/23 at 5:11 pm to Mulkey Man
Nance is estimated to have played 81% of his minutes at C and 19% at PF.
That breaks down to only about 262 out of 1381 at PF.
That breaks down to only about 262 out of 1381 at PF.
This post was edited on 7/31/23 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 7/31/23 at 6:44 pm to bonethug0180
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Nance is estimated to have played 81% of his minutes at C and 19% at PF.
That breaks down to only about 262 out of 1381 at PF.
Thanks man, about what I would have guessed.
Posted on 9/17/23 at 5:48 pm to Soggymoss
New Orleans Pelicans guard Jose Alvarado suffered an ankle sprain during a workout this weekend and his availability for training camp is in question
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