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re: Pelicans will accept “first decent, reasonable offer” for Zion
Posted on 12/4/25 at 5:59 pm to Split2874
Posted on 12/4/25 at 5:59 pm to Split2874
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Herb or Trey? You keep Trey but he had to accept he is now #3 (i think he would thrive as the #3
I feel like Herb at 27 doesn't fit the time line for his skill set. Peeve has shown promise as a defender.
But I would not move Herb just to move him
I luv Herb but...he has little value to the Pelicans, given their current situation...BUT...he is VERY valuable to a contending team such as the Warriors or Lakers...who need a Herb-type player to possibly push them over the top...to becoming a VERY serious contender...immediately.
Bottom line...HERB HAS GOT TO GO...while he can draw a very solid return. Just pray he stays healthy until January 14...
This post was edited on 12/4/25 at 6:00 pm
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Posted on 12/4/25 at 6:32 pm to TigerBait2008
Interesting, when I was one of maybe 5-10 posters here to show that I know ball
Posted on 12/4/25 at 7:19 pm to JS87
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Get back in the 1st round this year by any means necessary.
Build around Fears and Queen.
this is the way
Posted on 12/5/25 at 4:10 am to Dinky Mulberry
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Bottom line...HERB HAS GOT TO GO...while he can draw a very solid return. Just pray he stays healthy until January 14...
He's hurt right now. They said he would be back in a week two weeks ago. Any idea when he's coming back?
Regardless, like you said, he can't be traded until after 1/15. There is a lot that will change before that time. No telling what the market will be then.
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.immediately.
The more I look at it, I just don't see us going firesale and I don't see any team giving us high draft picks for what we have. Our biggest problem is 3 huge contracts that aren't playing, that represent over 50% of our cap sheet. If we can find a way to turn those guys into contributors, we might actually become watchable and might start winning some.
One guy I think we could get, that would make a huge impact is Zach Lavine. The Kings want to tear it down and everyone is scared of his contract. We could trade Zion and Poole for Lavine, Monk, and Saric (filler). Lavine and Murphy are a good complimentary duo that should help the rookies grow without the scoring burden. We can flip Monk, along with Jones and Bey at the deadline to contenders. Kings can cut Zion and save themselves a ton of money. Poole is a nice expiring next season for them.
Not the sexiest return. But we need scoring right now. Lavine can score, so can Monk. I think it benefits both sides..
Posted on 12/5/25 at 10:43 am to brmark70816
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He's hurt right now. They said he would be back in a week two weeks ago. Any idea when he's coming back?
Regardless, like you said, he can't be traded until after 1/15. There is a lot that will change before that time. No telling what the market will be then.
I'm not too worried about his present "injury"...as far as his trade value is concerned. But assuming we DO end up trading him...I'd guess we want to do as much as possible to make sure he doesn't get any added injuries between now and 1/15. So...I'm not expecting to get a whole lot from Herb..in the next month or so...jmo...I COULD be wrong.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 11:27 am to Dinky Mulberry
My main goal for the rest of the season would be to stockpile picks. It's the only way you're getting out of this mess. I would trade anyone with value. Trey, Herb, if a team convinces themselves that Bey could really improve their roster. If Zion's contract isn't guaranteed next season I don't really care what happens to him. Poole and Murray are probably pretty untradable. Though I'm not opposed too taking negative assets to get a positive asset. So if there's a team out there that wants to get off a bad contract a year earlier cool. Like x player and a first for Poole simply because he's an expiring next season.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 11:30 am to WhoKnows
All these trade ideas sound great except as of right now you can’t even get a bag of potato chips for him. His trade value is “0” until he plays games again. Seriously what do you think teams are willing to pay for a broken record?
Posted on 12/5/25 at 11:42 am to Demps
I would get rid of anyone but Trey, Fears and Queen. I only would keep Trey because his skillset is so hard to find.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 11:56 am to Mad Scientist26
Who would send first round picks for an injured prone player? That is just a pipe dream
Posted on 12/5/25 at 12:05 pm to saints5021
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I would get rid of anyone but Trey, Fears and Queen. I only would keep Trey because his skillset is so hard to find.
Our lineup next year should be:
Fears
DJ/ Bey
Trey/ Peavy
Queen/ ???
???/ Queen
Missi is the only other player I want on the team IF we can't get a future 1st for him.
Even at low arse value Zion/ Herb combined should be a minimum 2-3 1sts and Jose/ Hawk/ Poole a minimum 3-4 2nds.
Trey/ DJ/ Missi are the only other players that should be kept for future value and fit.
This post was edited on 12/5/25 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 12/5/25 at 12:10 pm to Dantheman504
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Even at low arse value Zion/ Herb combined should be a minimum 2-3 1sts
This is like when Stacy King scored 1 point and famously said he and michae Jordan combined for 70 points.
Zion has zero value. Maybe Herb jones gets you 2-3 firsts?
Posted on 12/5/25 at 12:13 pm to ned nederlander
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This is like when Stacy King scored 1 point and famously said he and michae Jordan combined for 70 points.
Zion has zero value. Maybe Herb jones gets you 2-3 firsts?
If Herb gets you 2-3 1sts then by default "Zion/ Herb combined are worth 2-3 1sts".
I never specified any such value that Z has. But we are 100% getting atleast 2-3 1st if we trade both Z and Herb.
Zion's value is higher than Herb's. I don't think Herb will EVER have higher value than Zion regardless of what anyone thinks of Z.
One may be a failed superstar but the other will never ever be close to being called a superstar. Some team will think they can fix Z.
Teams will see the version of the player they think they can acquire. Not a single team will invision Herb having a bigger impact than Z once you erase the Pelicans history from their opinion. Teams will want Herb for defense and the cheaper contract but that has nothing to do with Herb having higher value than Z.
Teams that want to acquire Z are thinking about what he could do for them and not what he has done for the Pelicans.
The opinion people share on here is a negativity bias. The reality is that many teams think we are incompetent and that they can do better.
If you do an expansion and teams have to redraft then you will have 30 teams that draft Zion before Herb.... Its really that simple.
This post was edited on 12/5/25 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 12/5/25 at 12:22 pm to Dantheman504
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Herb gets you 2-3 1sts then by default "Zion/ Herb combined are worth 2-3 1sts".
I doubt Jones is worth multiple 1sts. Maybe a swap and some 2nds. He has struggled this year and last, plus many injuries. I'm sure teams would take him, but he's not a starter for 90% of the teams in this league.
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Zion's value is higher than Herb's
Maybe. His value is his contract right now, and being able to cut him. I mentioned Lavine earlier. That's the type of guy we could get for him. A big contract another team wants to get off. There a few others as well. But no body is giving us 1sts for him..
Posted on 12/5/25 at 12:28 pm to brmark70816
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But no body is giving us 1sts for him..
If no other team offers 1sts then he's going to Brooklyn for atleast 1-2 1sts in the blink of an eye and there's absolutely nothing you could say that would change my mind on that. Its a no brainer for BKN.
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I doubt Jones is worth multiple 1sts. Maybe a swap and some 2nds.
He is worth a 1st because the teams that want/ need him are drafting #25-30. So they will already be low end/ low value 1sts from teams that care more about winning a championship than draft picks.
GSW/ SA would do it.
I do not disagree that the value for our players are low but i disagree that they are worthless and no team is making any offers. Teams are making shitty offers and we are still in a position trying to get the best offer.
Notice the comment in the thread says "first DECENT, REASONABLE offer". Not "1st offer because teams aren't offering anything"
We probably already have atleast 2-3 1st from a Herb/ Z trade guaranteed and are looking at other options.
Y'all are just being super pessimistic because we fricking suck and I get that.
This post was edited on 12/5/25 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 12/5/25 at 12:38 pm to Dantheman504
I'd be willing to bet that BKN currently holds the best offer for Z at 2-3 1st and we are holding hope on comparable offers to get BKN to add more picks.
Same thing with Herb. GSW/ SA/ LAL. One or two of those teams probably already offered a 1st.
I know some people will argue this because its impossible to think that they are currently negotiating trades and not staring at a wall with their thumb up their arse.
Same thing with Herb. GSW/ SA/ LAL. One or two of those teams probably already offered a 1st.
I know some people will argue this because its impossible to think that they are currently negotiating trades and not staring at a wall with their thumb up their arse.
This post was edited on 12/5/25 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 12/5/25 at 12:39 pm to Dantheman504
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no other team offers 1sts then he's going to Brooklyn for atleast 1-2 1sts in the blink of an eye and there's absolutely nothing you could say that would cha get my mind on that. Its a no breaker for BKN.
Brooklyn still has to match some salary and they aren't giving up their 1st this year. They don't have control of their picks going forward, so those picks they have are diminished. They do have the Knicks picks, but they will be late too.
I have tried projecting trades to Brooklyn. But there has been zero rumors that the Nets want Zion. They are in a full rebuild. I think it makes sense for them. But they are more likely to do a complete sell off this summer and build around youth. Zion only makes sense for them on a cheap contract.
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He is 100% worth a 1st because the teams that want/ need him are drafting 25-30. So they will already be low end 1sts on teams that care more about winning a championship than drafts picks
This isn't 3 years ago, before his extension. He's diminished and he's making reap money now. He'll be a top 5 contract on any team he goes to. You have to project him going forward. The rumors have been all about the Lakers and Warrirors. But they have little to trade and Jones is a specialist on either team. So where are all the picks coming from?
Posted on 12/5/25 at 12:51 pm to brmark70816
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Brooklyn still has to match some salary and they aren't giving up their 1st this year. They don't have control of their picks going forward, so those picks they have are diminished. They do have the Knicks picks, but they will be late too.
They have 9 unprotected draft picks over the next 7 years. Not including Philly top 8 protected which will probably hit and (2) conditioned 1sts.
They can give us (3) 1sts and still have a 1st every single year while excluding the extra (2) picks they have that are conditioned. They have 12 draft picks and absolutely nothing to look forward to. I'm not sure what you are talking about acting like they are strapped for picks and aren't desperate for a superstar face.
quote:Sounds like a reason to give us extra picks and not less picks. That's an advantage for us in this scenario.
They do have the Knicks picks, but they will be late too.
This post was edited on 12/5/25 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 12/5/25 at 1:05 pm to brmark70816
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The rumors have been all about the Lakers and Warrirors. But they have little to trade and Jones is a specialist on either team. So where are all the picks coming from?
The picks would be coming from GSW/ LAL as they have little to trade besides their late rd 1sts. You are straight up saying the teams who want him have no assets to offer besides late rd 1sts but can't figure out where we'd get 1sts from. That's the only thing those types of team can offer. GSW can send 26' and/ or 28'.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 1:06 pm to Dantheman504
We are literally talking about cutting him and you think another team is going to give us 3 1sts? Why would they do this, even they did have it?
Those picks are encumbered and years down the road mainly. They are tanking this year for their future star. No one is going to make Zion their franchise player anymore. He'll have to try and make it as a reclamation project.
Or none. They still have to match up money, which would have to be MPJ or a package built around Claxton. They aren't throwing in 1sts if they are giving up those players. Right?
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They have 12 draft picks and absolutely nothing to look forward to. I'm not sure what you are talking about acting like they are strapped for picks and aren't desperate for a superstar face.
Those picks are encumbered and years down the road mainly. They are tanking this year for their future star. No one is going to make Zion their franchise player anymore. He'll have to try and make it as a reclamation project.
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Sounds like a reason to give us extra picks and not less picks. That's an advantage for us in this scenario
Or none. They still have to match up money, which would have to be MPJ or a package built around Claxton. They aren't throwing in 1sts if they are giving up those players. Right?
Posted on 12/5/25 at 1:22 pm to brmark70816
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Claxton. They aren't throwing in 1sts if they are giving up those players. Right?
Wrong. Claxton and 1-2 1sts isn't insane. MPJ probably not happening.
I think we can also take a package of Mann/ Sharpe/ Williams (28 mil) because they have 11.6 mil in cap space. So that would be 39.6 while Z is 39.45
You really think they aren't offering Mann/ Sharpe/ Willaims/ 1-2 1sts for Z?
We have offers. We are just looking for the best one.
This post was edited on 12/5/25 at 1:26 pm
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