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re: Pelicans to have "sitdown" with Greg Oden
Posted on 7/16/13 at 10:01 am to macatak911
Posted on 7/16/13 at 10:01 am to macatak911
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Oden is a starting Center with no knees.
Smith is a backup Center with knees.
give me Smith any day.
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Posted on 7/16/13 at 10:02 am to Jester
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Occam's Razor. I can't assume that his knee are suddenly healthy when his entire career says otherwise. Did he get slapped on the forehead by a preacher?
You don't have to assume anything but your statement was a little over the top without having any details yet.
There are several players on this team that will receive very little playing time this year. In those cases, an Oden swap poses no risk.
Posted on 7/16/13 at 10:04 am to tehchampion140
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There needs to be the biggest asterisk ever next to this statement.
Read the third line. I mentioned the risk.
Posted on 7/16/13 at 10:04 am to Mickey Goldmill
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There are several players on this team that will receive very little playing time this year. In those cases, an Oden swap poses no risk.
Not players that could be used in a trade for Oden. There are very limited options to make the salaries work.
This post was edited on 7/16/13 at 10:06 am
Posted on 7/16/13 at 10:05 am to Mickey Goldmill
I'd like to see one instance, just one, where a player has had catastrophic injuries to hold him out of a sport for years, and then he comes back and produces at a high level. It's not worth swapping anyone save for maybe a Lance Thomas.
Posted on 7/16/13 at 10:06 am to tehchampion140
Grant Hill MAYBE
Posted on 7/16/13 at 10:06 am to tehchampion140
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I'd like to see one instance, just one, where a player has had catastrophic injuries to hold him out of a sport for years, and then he comes back and produces at a high level. It's not worth swapping anyone save for maybe a Lance Thomas.
Willis McGahee
Posted on 7/16/13 at 10:08 am to Jester
quote:What's he going to buy, a 2nd rounder? Is that a sure thing? Teams will not be in the selling mode in next year's draft with it being strong, so a 1st rounder is unlikely. I do not think any first rounders were even sold this year in a weak draft.
You don't have to spend for the sake of spending. Dell could use that money to buy back into the draft next year. Again, it isn't catching fire.
Posted on 7/16/13 at 10:09 am to Jester
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There are very limited options to make the salaries work.
42 said more recent guys are in play than I realized. Rivers + Morrow would be enough to make it happen. Or pick 2 of Rivers/Thomas/Miller and throw in Pierre Jackson. He said a swap out Stiemsma for Oden would be on the table too, although since you're turning their signing into a S&T I would imagine they'd have to agree to it.
Posted on 7/16/13 at 10:09 am to macatak911
McGahee injured one knee (ligament, not degenerative bone injuries) and only missed one season. Oden has missed more than he's played.
Posted on 7/16/13 at 10:12 am to TigerinATL
quote:Morrow cannot be combined with other players in a trade for 60 days. The team would not trade Steimsma right after we sold him on signing with us. That would be bad business and give the Pelicans a bad rep with free agents in the future. Smith or Rivers would be the obvious choices. I would not want to deal Rivers. Too young and too much potential. As far as Smith, while I like him, you know his ceiling and he has already reached it. He is what he is, a bench big for limited minutes. I could live with trading him for the risk that Oden, at 25, could have something left.
42 said more recent guys are in play than I realized. Rivers + Morrow would be enough to make it happen. Or pick 2 of Rivers/Thomas/Miller and throw in Pierre Jackson. He said a swap out Stiemsma for Oden would be on the table too, although since you're turning their signing into a S&T I would imagine they'd have to agree to it.
This post was edited on 7/16/13 at 10:16 am
Posted on 7/16/13 at 10:14 am to TigerinATL
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42 said more recent guys are in play than I realized. Rivers + Morrow would be enough to make it happen. Or pick 2 of Rivers/Thomas/Miller and throw in Pierre Jackson. He said a swap out Stiemsma for Oden would be on the table too, although since you're turning their signing into a S&T I would imagine they'd have to agree to it.
So we have to either send Rivers or a healthy big, creating an even bigger hole at the 5.
Posted on 7/16/13 at 10:16 am to Jester
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creating an even bigger hole at the 5.
You have to admit, the hole at the 5 can't get much bigger at this point.
Posted on 7/16/13 at 10:17 am to Jester
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So we have to either send Rivers or a healthy big, creating an even bigger hole at the 5.
If Oden is not healthy it seems stupid. So if Demps actually makes an offer then you have to think he thinks he's healthy. Although he traded Jack thinking Gordon would be healthy last year.
Posted on 7/16/13 at 10:21 am to NOSHAU
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Morrow cannot be combined with other players in a trade for 60 days. The team would not trade Steimsma right after we sold him on signing with us. That would be bad business and give the Pelicans a bad rep with free agents in the future. Smith or Rivers would be the obvious choices. I would not want to deal Rivers. Too young and too much potential. As far as Smith, while I like him, you know his ceiling and he has already reached it. He is what he is, a bench big for limited minutes. I could live with trading him for the risk that Oden, at 25, could have something left.
The Morrow thing is obvious and has him in town for cap. So what.
As far as the Stiemsma thing, that's just fan dribble. Dude hasn't reported, so who cares?
Posted on 7/16/13 at 10:23 am to TigerinATL
I'm kind of nervous about the Oden thing. I like it as a low risk/high reward signing but if we start trading valuable assets for a guy who may play 5 minutes, it's a lot more risky IMO.
Posted on 7/16/13 at 10:24 am to macatak911
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You have to admit, the hole at the 5 can't get much bigger at this point.
At least Stiemsma can stay healthy
Posted on 7/16/13 at 10:25 am to hendersonshands
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I'm kind of nervous about the Oden thing. I like it as a low risk/high reward signing but if we start trading valuable assets for a guy who may play 5 minutes, it's a lot more risky IMO.
I agree. The only thing that makes me comfortable with it is there's nothing forcing us to do this, like when Dell listened to Monty and traded for Bayless because we needed a backup PG badly, and Demps should have enough information to gauge the risk.
Posted on 7/16/13 at 10:26 am to 42
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As far as the Stiemsma thing, that's just fan dribble. Dude hasn't reported, so who cares?
I thought there was a restriction on trading newly signed FAs before December or something?
Posted on 7/16/13 at 10:26 am to macatak911
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You have to admit, the hole at the 5 can't get much bigger at this point.
If Jeff Withey plays like he did last night, we won't have any issues.
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