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Pelicans "Real Plus-Minus" Rankings...surprising?
Posted on 3/3/23 at 6:44 am
Posted on 3/3/23 at 6:44 am
POS PRK NAME RPM* MPG
SG 12 CJ McCollum 2.87 35
C 15 Jonas Valanciunas 2.62 24.9
PF 13 Zion Williamson 2.14 33
SG 24 Trey Murphy III 1.05 29.1
SF 20 Herbert Jones 0.67 28.7
SF 23 Brandon Ingram 0.3 32.9
PF 27 Larry Nance Jr. -0.76 22.3
C 41 Willy Hernangomez -1.07 13
C 43 Jaxson Hayes -1.44 13.4
PG 38 Jose Alvarado -1.9 21.5
SF 46 Naji Marshall -1.92 24.7
PG 42 Kira Lewis Jr. -2.11 10.6
SG 53 Josh Richardson -2.43 24.1
*RPM: Player's estimated on-court impact on team performance, measured in net point differential per 100 offensive and defensive possessions. RPM takes into account teammates, opponents and additional factors
SG 12 CJ McCollum 2.87 35
C 15 Jonas Valanciunas 2.62 24.9
PF 13 Zion Williamson 2.14 33
SG 24 Trey Murphy III 1.05 29.1
SF 20 Herbert Jones 0.67 28.7
SF 23 Brandon Ingram 0.3 32.9
PF 27 Larry Nance Jr. -0.76 22.3
C 41 Willy Hernangomez -1.07 13
C 43 Jaxson Hayes -1.44 13.4
PG 38 Jose Alvarado -1.9 21.5
SF 46 Naji Marshall -1.92 24.7
PG 42 Kira Lewis Jr. -2.11 10.6
SG 53 Josh Richardson -2.43 24.1
*RPM: Player's estimated on-court impact on team performance, measured in net point differential per 100 offensive and defensive possessions. RPM takes into account teammates, opponents and additional factors
This post was edited on 3/3/23 at 8:03 am
Posted on 3/3/23 at 8:16 am to BamaPelican
That's make believe plus-minus
Posted on 3/3/23 at 8:27 am to armsdealer
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That's make believe plus-minus
I don’t know why but that made me laugh really hard…was not the comment I was expecting.
Your 100% right that RPM is complex, but I think it’s a stat worth considering, just not taking as an absolute value.
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Posted on 3/3/23 at 8:28 am to BamaPelican
Does it fit my narrative? Yes...ok that is interesting
Does it fit my narrative? No...well this advanced metric is useless.
Does it fit my narrative? No...well this advanced metric is useless.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 8:32 am to shel311
Shel that’s probably about right.
I thought several guy’s positions were at least a bit unexpected. JV and Herb were higher than I expected, and BI, Naji and Jose were lower. Josh was way lower, but I don’t know how much of that stems from his time in SA that I didn’t see.
Not sure how well a stat like this can work for low minutes guys, so I take our end of bench guy’s position with a larger grain of salt.
I thought several guy’s positions were at least a bit unexpected. JV and Herb were higher than I expected, and BI, Naji and Jose were lower. Josh was way lower, but I don’t know how much of that stems from his time in SA that I didn’t see.
Not sure how well a stat like this can work for low minutes guys, so I take our end of bench guy’s position with a larger grain of salt.
This post was edited on 3/3/23 at 8:34 am
Posted on 3/3/23 at 8:34 am to BamaPelican
You cant watch this team all season and tell me jonas has been our second best player. He's been horrific
Posted on 3/3/23 at 8:38 am to Balsamic_duck
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You cant watch this team all season and tell me jonas has been our second best player. He's been horrific
I think we can safely say JV has helped the Pels win quite a few games this season. All of these advanced stats have flaws and skews. One thing that could be biasing the data, in games he helped win he probably played more minutes and in games where he was a liability he probably played fewer minutes.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 8:40 am to BamaPelican
quote:In fairness, we're probably all guilty of it, myself included.
Shel that’s probably about right.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 10:25 am to TigerinATL
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One thing that could be biasing the data, in games he helped win he probably played more minutes and in games where he was a liability he probably played fewer minutes.
This is definitely true and why you need to take some advanced stats with a grain of salt.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 10:32 am to BamaPelican
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"Real Plus-Minus"
This list is just a reminder that more often than not, the eye test is much better than a calculator. I don't hate advanced stats, but this is just ridiculous
Posted on 3/3/23 at 12:28 pm to BamaPelican
““RPM created by Jeremias Engelmann is not the one currently displayed on ESPN,” responded one individual, who works as the director of basketball analytics for a team in the Western Conference. “I would rank the former very highly while the latter is in my estimation fairly useless.”
RPM used to be decent, but has generated some pretty funky outliers for ~ 5 years now.
RPM used to be decent, but has generated some pretty funky outliers for ~ 5 years now.
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