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Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:20 am to SlowFlowPro
Yeah Curry is one of one. Dame ain't that.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:20 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
yes?
And what has our ceiling been with Ingram and no Zion?
Play in team.
Dame and CJ carried a team of not much to the WCF by themselves. If they had even 90% of our roster (minus Ingram) talent that season they would’ve won a championship. Some of yall seriously overvalue Ingram and undervalue true superstar level players.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:20 am to shel311
My point is you use the financial argument when it benefits you on trading for dame argument but then act like financials shouldn’t matter when trading for Scoot. I mean we can trade CJ easily so why cant we just trade others easily if Dame helps us to win? Im using your same logic when you advocating not trading for Scoot.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:24 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:Because there's a $30+ mil difference, THAT is why. Not sure what part of that you're failing to miss, can't really help you there.
My point is you use the financial argument when it benefits you on trading for dame argument but then act like financials shouldn’t matter when trading for Scoot.
quote:Who are these "others" you speak of?
I mean we can trade CJ easily so why cant we just trade others easily if Dame helps us to win?
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 11:25 am
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:26 am to teke184
quote:As a fan, I see your point. As a GM, that is ridiculous.
Because Portland isn’t a threat for a few years and I fricking hate big market teams getting small market superstars for scraps.
Same reason I don’t like the Lakers or Knicks.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:29 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:
My point is you use the financial argument when it benefits you
Yeah, you can’t sit there and say Dame’s contract would cause you to lose a guy like Trey and not think Ingram’s new deal won’t have the same constraints.
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 11:34 am
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:29 am to shel311
The others are whoever is left on the team. If your trading Zion for Dame. You trade CJ and probably anyone else and make it work. Again your logic. Dame is a superstar whos helping you compete- you find a way to make it happen. I love Trey but again people are assuming hes going to develop into some multitime all star- I think thats a little irrational.
I mean you see what happens when its time. Hes making that kind of money in 25-26 and 26-27. You have two years to figure it out. The whole point of Dame is winning now and putting the future on hold- even if that means Trey. This again is using your logic to keep yhe BI CJ and Zion core together to win now.
I mean you see what happens when its time. Hes making that kind of money in 25-26 and 26-27. You have two years to figure it out. The whole point of Dame is winning now and putting the future on hold- even if that means Trey. This again is using your logic to keep yhe BI CJ and Zion core together to win now.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:31 am to Soggymoss
quote:
Dame and CJ carried a team of not much to the WCF by themselves. If they had even 90% of our roster (minus Ingram) talent that season they would’ve won a championship. Some of yall seriously overvalue Ingram and undervalue true superstar level players.
In Dame's first 7 years, he averaged 78 games played a season.
His last 4 years, 55.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:33 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:You keep saying that whole ignoring the difference in the 2 situations is the equivalent of a full max contract slot.
This again is using your logic
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:35 am to Mickey Goldmill
quote:
His last 4 years, 55.
Sooo, exactly the same as Ingram?
So you’re telling me i would get a player with the same availability (actually more as his 29 game season skews alot, plus Portland sitting him to lose) but thats a far better player? Sign me up
This post was edited on 7/3/23 at 11:38 am
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:36 am to Mickey Goldmill
Lol fake news. They literally sat him the last 2 years to lose on purpose. Again anyone who argues this point doesn’t watch basketball.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:37 am to NOSHAU
I just don't like trading young for old.
Garnett, Pierce, KD, Harden, Gobert, George, Iverson, Nash
Too many more to list.
The only times it seemed to work is Garnett, Allen, Shaq and those windows were fairly short.
Garnett, Pierce, KD, Harden, Gobert, George, Iverson, Nash
Too many more to list.
The only times it seemed to work is Garnett, Allen, Shaq and those windows were fairly short.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:37 am to Pels_Yaz
quote:Because they couldn't win even half their games with him.
news. They literally sat him the last 2 years to lose on purpose.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:38 am to ghost2most
quote:If the tax meant nothing and we'd be a repeater tax team, I'd be all for pairing and Dame.
just don't like trading young for old
But we won't, so we gotta think through what can realistically happen. The pipe dreams of $200mil team salaries for multiple seasons is great to dream about but it's just not going to happen.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:39 am to shel311
quote:
Because they couldn't win even half their games with him.
We are a far more talented team overall than Portland even without Zion, and can’t win half our games with Ingram.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:39 am to Soggymoss
quote:
Yeah, you can’t sit there and say Dame’s contract would cause you to lose a guy like Trey and not think Ingram’s new deal won’t have the same constraints.
We'll have more data on this team construction and an asset that isn't likely to lose any value with BI
We're stuck with Dame and his value will plummet quickly.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:41 am to Soggymoss
quote:BI isn't a #1, Dame is considered a #1.
We are a far more talented team overall than Portland even without Zion, and can’t win half our games with Ingram.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:44 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
We're stuck with Dame and his value will plummet quickly.
You’re basing this on what exactly?
His age? Durant is older and just fetched the largest trade package ever.
His production? Dame just had statistically his best season ever.
Other players value declining with age? Dame’s closest comparison in the league is Steph and his value is showing zero indication of decline even though he’s 3 years older.
Posted on 7/3/23 at 11:45 am to shel311
quote:
BI isn't a #1, Dame is considered a #1.
So you want to pay a guy like a #1 when he’s not a #1, but don’t want to trade that overpaid #2-3 for a true #1?
Doesn’t make sense
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