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re: Oden has narrowed down his choices to Pelicans, Heat
Posted on 7/29/13 at 9:28 am to Jester
Posted on 7/29/13 at 9:28 am to Jester
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No, they haven't seen him play. He won't be cleared to play until after someone signs him. Very convenient.
you know what I meant...they've seen him move on the court/work out, and they seem to be interested.
Like I said before, just a shell of the former Oden is a valuable big for cheap, imo. He's a talented guy.
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Posted on 7/29/13 at 9:35 am to c on z
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One was still far more proven than the other.
Exactly. It was an idiotic statement. And Saban's stupid arse signed Culpepper with busted knees instead. It wasn't like he got a healthy QB in lieu of Brees.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 9:46 am to Jester
You have to be a Michigan fan or something. People are trying to tell you it won't change who we can or can't get in future and you say well we could sign a lot of guys for that money, but have yet to name one person or even more so one person that has the ability Oden has. You say you don't want to take a chance because of injury, well how big of a risk is it if he's our 3rd center and 5th big? Who's all in to bring roger mason jr back since jester doesn't want Oden?!
Posted on 7/29/13 at 9:51 am to Jester
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And Saban's stupid arse signed Culpepper with busted knees instead.
i hate saban as much as the next guy, but this is wrong.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 9:53 am to LSU1SLU
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People are trying to tell you it won't change who we can or can't get in future
This is false. Every guaranteed contract affects future moves in some way. It is one last roster spot, slightly more money that takes you into Lux Tax territory, and a dead spot on the roster that you can't move or use on a useful player. You have to remember this: the end of bench guys are most useful for PRACTICE. That is needed. If a guy is on the end of the bench and can't practice at all and is just taking up a spot, he is worse than useless.
Giving Oden a 2nd year that isn't a team option is just reckless.
I'm all for a one year deal with 2nd (or 2nd and 3rd) year being Team Option(s). That is fine. But anyone arguing we should just give him 2 years without an option is really just a dumb fan. Not worth arguing with.
This post was edited on 7/29/13 at 9:54 am
Posted on 7/29/13 at 9:54 am to c on z
how often do you cockblock your friends? i bet you're that guy, aren't you?
Posted on 7/29/13 at 9:57 am to quail man
Sorry for being rational unlike some in this thread 
Posted on 7/29/13 at 9:58 am to jptiger2009
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i hate saban as much as the next guy, but this is wrong.
How so? Did they not trade for Culpepper after passing on Brees?
I know he has recently started pointing fingers at everyone else, but that's all you have to support it.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 9:59 am to Fun Bunch
1. Really we shouldn't sign oden bc he might not be a good practice player? C'mon man we talkin bout practice. Apparently lance Thomas was a mind blowing practice player and that's definitely helped us a ton.
2. Yea if we give a two year deal worth 3 million a year it will affect what we can do next year. But not by much. As much as we've improved we aren't the heat or the pacers where a sixth or seventh man can be the difference between championship or bust. We can't do anything big for two years anyway when EG's contract comes off the books. So it's definitely worth the risk
2. Yea if we give a two year deal worth 3 million a year it will affect what we can do next year. But not by much. As much as we've improved we aren't the heat or the pacers where a sixth or seventh man can be the difference between championship or bust. We can't do anything big for two years anyway when EG's contract comes off the books. So it's definitely worth the risk
Posted on 7/29/13 at 9:59 am to Fun Bunch
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This is false. Every guaranteed contract affects future moves in some way. It is one last roster spot, slightly more money that takes you into Lux Tax territory, and a dead spot on the roster that you can't move or use on a useful player. You have to remember this: the end of bench guys are most useful for PRACTICE. That is needed. If a guy is on the end of the bench and can't practice at all and is just taking up a spot, he is worse than useless.
Giving Oden a 2nd year that isn't a team option is just reckless.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:00 am to Jester
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Chris Mannix @ChrisMannixSI about 9 minutes ago
Teams involved in Greg Oden chase are being realistic about expectations for GO next season. Not expecting anything close to pre-injury Oden
Looking good in workouts is one thing, but being NBA game-ready is another. Could be months, if not longer, before Oden gets there.
Yes, I walked into the "What was pre-injury Oden" jokes. Point is, not expecting 25-minutes, 10-points, eight rebounds. Not next season.
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Dan McCarney @danmccarneysaen about 7 minutes ago
Wisdom from @Chris Mannix I've come around that Oden would be a potentially good, and certainly interesting, pick-up for the Spurs.
But the facts remain: He's had five major surgical procedures, and missed four out of every five NBA games he's been eligible for.
Expecting anything more than a heavily--managed reserve role is grossly unrealistic.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:02 am to tigerfan88
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1. Really we shouldn't sign oden bc he might not be a good practice player? C'mon man we talkin bout practice. Apparently lance Thomas was a mind blowing practice player and that's definitely helped us a ton.
Not all players are born lethal scorers like Iverson.
Seriously, though, having solid players to push you in practice definitely helps in the long haul.
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much as we've improved we aren't the heat or the pacers where a sixth or seventh man can be the difference between championship or bust. We can't do anything big for two years anyway when EG's contract comes off the books. So it's definitely worth the risk
So, he won't put us over the top and he may just be a waste of millions of dollars? Where's the big reward?
Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:04 am to TigerinATL
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Chris Mannix @ChrisMannixSI about 9 minutes ago
Teams involved in Greg Oden chase are being realistic about expectations for GO next season. Not expecting anything close to pre-injury Oden
Looking good in workouts is one thing, but being NBA game-ready is another. Could be months, if not longer, before Oden gets there.
Yes, I walked into the "What was pre-injury Oden" jokes. Point is, not expecting 25-minutes, 10-points, eight rebounds. Not next season.
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Dan McCarney @danmccarneysaen about 7 minutes ago
Wisdom from @Chris Mannix I've come around that Oden would be a potentially good, and certainly interesting, pick-up for the Spurs.
But the facts remain: He's had five major surgical procedures, and missed four out of every five NBA games he's been eligible for.
Expecting anything more than a heavily--managed reserve role is grossly unrealistic.
God damn juveniles and their objectivity!
This post was edited on 7/29/13 at 10:04 am
Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:08 am to Jester
Jester, your argument has come down to worrying about a practice player spot and Benson's overall finances? Is that about right?
Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:10 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Jester, your argument has come down to worrying about a practice player spot and Benson's overall finances? Is that about right?
If that's what you need to believe to sleep at night, have at it.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:11 am to Jester
I'm asking you a simple question.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:11 am to TigerinATL
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Chris Mannix @ChrisMannixSI about 9 minutes ago
Teams involved in Greg Oden chase are being realistic about expectations for GO next season. Not expecting anything close to pre-injury Oden
Looking good in workouts is one thing, but being NBA game-ready is another. Could be months, if not longer, before Oden gets there.
Yes, I walked into the "What was pre-injury Oden" jokes. Point is, not expecting 25-minutes, 10-points, eight rebounds. Not next season.
Well that splashes a bit of cold water on things.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:12 am to Fun Bunch
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Well that splashes a bit of cold water on things.
not in my opinion. Oden will be a great player in his limited minutes he's played. Its money well spent. He also has a fantastic shot for being a big man.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:14 am to Fun Bunch
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I'm all for a one year deal with 2nd (or 2nd and 3rd) year being Team Option(s). That is fine. But anyone arguing we should just give him 2 years without an option is really just a dumb fan. Not worth arguing with.
Have I ever said this!?
Thank you come again.
Posted on 7/29/13 at 10:16 am to tigerfan88
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1. Really we shouldn't sign oden bc he might not be a good practice player? C'mon man we talkin bout practice. Apparently lance Thomas was a mind blowing practice player and that's definitely helped us a ton.
2. Yea if we give a two year deal worth 3 million a year it will affect what we can do next year. But not by much. As much as we've improved we aren't the heat or the pacers where a sixth or seventh man can be the difference between championship or bust. We can't do anything big for two years anyway when EG's contract comes off the books. So it's definitely worth the risk
I'll try this again. Practice is one factor when dealing with an END OF BENCH player. Greg Oden is an end of bench player.
He hasn't played since December of 2009. He's had 5 MAJOR knee surgeries (microfracture). 1 Microfracture surgery just a few years ago was considered doom.
Even Mannix says he's an end of bench player right now.
You do not give a player with that kind of risk more than one year guaranteed. EVER.
What don't people get about that? Roster spots are precious. They have to serve a purpose.
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