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O’Connor: Lonzo trade talks have “fizzled”
Posted on 3/8/21 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 3/8/21 at 8:57 pm
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Trade talks involving Ball have fizzled for now, league sources say. Ball has been at times the Pelicans’ best defender, and he’s certainly their best playmaker in the backcourt. But New Orleans needs to consider the type of contract Ball will demand this offseason in restricted free agency, and whether giving it to him would limit future possibilities. Trading the 23-year-old will remain a possibility, especially since the Pelicans are expected to be active ahead of the trade deadline. Executives say they could be buyers or sellers, depending on what direction the trade winds blow.
From his Power Rankings article on the Ringer which leaked a TON of trade talk.
That last sentence is literally worthless though
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Posted on 3/8/21 at 9:14 pm to Fun Bunch
Also probably means that the Pels are comfortable paying him this offseason.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 9:15 pm to Baron
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Also probably means that the Pels are comfortable paying him this offseason.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 9:25 pm to jprdbulldog20
Do you think it’s like CP3 and West scenario when Chandler got traded? Or AD with Cousins/Rondo when they left? To where Ingram/Zion wants Lonzo here.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 9:28 pm to duyp
I think it’s more kicking the can down the road and keeping the powder dry for an opportunity like Beal.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 9:35 pm to Fun Bunch
losing him for nothing would be essentially stupid (offseason) and trading him if your 2 star players want him is even dumber.
his value as it is, is a solid #3 option with upside. You pay him his fair value on the market and you hope at some point a trade for a semi-star or star is available and you pull that trigger.
his value as it is, is a solid #3 option with upside. You pay him his fair value on the market and you hope at some point a trade for a semi-star or star is available and you pull that trigger.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 10:01 pm to htran90
quote:True but if someone offers him way too much in the offseason, overpaying him is also dumb, so whats the best option here?
losing him for nothing would be essentially stupid (offseason) and trading him if your 2 star players want him is even dumber.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 10:02 pm to shel311
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True but if someone offers him way too much in the offseason, overpaying him is also dumb, so whats the best option here?
Do what we should have to EG Knee.
Phoenix signed him, we shouldn't have matched. We should have told them sign & trade at that point. We would have gotten a young player + 1st
Posted on 3/8/21 at 10:11 pm to Baron
quote:I’ll eat my crow if I’m wrong, but we’re doomed if that happens. I can only hope he takes another step up in his game after his new contract like Jrue did with us a few years ago.
Also probably means that the Pels are comfortable paying him this offseason.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 10:24 pm to shel311
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losing him for nothing would be essentially stupid (offseason) and trading him if your 2 star players want him is even dumber.
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True but if someone offers him way too much in the offseason, overpaying him is also dumb, so whats the best option here?
You have to keep the asset. Even if he gets a deal worth 25 mil a year, we will need a decently size contract like that to help make salaries work if we make a play for the next disgruntled superstar.
Posted on 3/8/21 at 10:31 pm to htran90
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Phoenix signed him, we shouldn't have matched. We should have told them sign & trade at that point.
Can’t sign and trade once he signs an offer sheet. We’d have to negotiate before it came to that.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 1:34 am to Epic Cajun
Seeing how they couldn’t extend the contract gives me optimism that they won’t over pay him. Plus if he can stay consistent throughout the year, maybe he really improve and deserves that huge contract. If he falls off and it was just “February” then his contract devalues and we offer him the deal he deserves
Posted on 3/9/21 at 7:33 am to htran90
quote:And if that team calls our bluff, and says no to a trade, go ahead and match if you want him, then what?
Phoenix signed him, we shouldn't have matched. We should have told them sign & trade at that point. We would have gotten a young player + 1st
Posted on 3/9/21 at 8:44 am to Fun Bunch
i know this board has taken a 180 on lonzo, but i still do not believe in him as long term piece. If he isn't making 3's he really doesn't provide anything. Key word in that article is "at times" he's our best defender. He is so inconsistent with what exactly he offers. You can obviously tell that the shooting has come along (TS%, 3PT, FT etc.) but is that really worth $20 mill a year? I would prefer for us to see what we could get for him before we get caught up in limbo this offseason with teams potentially throwing crazy money at him. FA is unpredictable.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 9:06 am to Cheesy Beaver
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i know this board has taken a 180 on lonzo
More like a 90. Nobody is clamoring to pay him, the board just doesn't think he's 100% trash anymore.
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I would prefer for us to see what we could get for him before
Do you think Griffin hasn't been gauging his value? The Knicks basically bowed out and took Rose. If that's the potential bidding war, Knicks vs. Bulls, it's on hold until the offseason when your ability to match presents a legit obstacle and both teams have to offer you (or Lonzo) enough to not match.
There is also the very visible support of Lonzo from your 2 cornerstones. Dealing Lonzo in the summer to a team he struck a big money deal with is letting Lonzo go where he wants to go. Trading him now, even if it's to the same team you're planning to trade him to this offseason, is the Pels breaking up the band.
Don't forget the Beal factor. All indications are that Griff is very interested in Beal, but a Beal trade looks like isn't going to happen until this offseason at the earliest.
Lonzo increasing his value and Klutch wanting him in a bigger market where he isn't #3 at best makes it more likely he gets traded IMO, it just won't happen until the offseason.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 9:21 am to htran90
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losing him for nothing would be essentially stupid (offseason) and trading him if your 2 star players want him is even dumber.
not even close. the dumbest move is to overpay Lonzo & he's not the player you think he is. Then his contract becomes un-tradable and you start losing. I don't care how much BI & Zion like Lonzo, I guarantee they hate losing more.
I'm not making a case against Lonzo. I'm just saying that when it comes to a small-market team with a talent like Zion, you have to be extra extra careful when & how you spend your money (see Solo & Asik contracts). You have to set a cap for what you'll spend on Lonzo, and if he finds a contract that exceeds that, you have to be ok with letting him walk.
At that point, the asset you gain is cap room. And with Zion & BI, New Orleans could be appealing.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 9:22 am to Fun Bunch
Key to Zo being part of the core 3, which I’d like to see, is improvement in his on ball and pressure defense.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 9:25 am to 504Voodoo
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You have to keep the asset. Even if he gets a deal worth 25 mil a year, we will need a decently size contract like that to help make salaries work if we make a play for the next disgruntled superstar.
again cap space is a positive asset either for uneven trades, teams looking to offload salary for more assets, or signing someone.
Lonzo at 25mil+/yr is likely a bad asset. And it will take good assets (our war chest of picks) to get rid of a bad asset which weakens our opportunity to get great assets (ie next disgruntled superstar)
Posted on 3/9/21 at 9:30 am to Fun Bunch
I have a hard time having any confidence in any of that snippet from the article. It's full of half truths and then the catch all of "we might be buyers or sellers". It provides little substance to the situation.
Hart is the best defender, not Lonzo, and if you watch games if the both of them are in, Hart is on the best player. Lonzo is incapable of getting around a simple pick, which is usually the root of all of our defensive issues.
I don't even know what this means. Is he trying to say that only Lonzo and Bledsoe make up the backcourt, so Lonzo is better at playmaking than Bledsoe? congrats. Lonzo is not a playmaker, and that doesn't mean he isn't a good player.
I don't think we should be trading him right now, unless it's for a legit player, or if we get a great offer, like 2 firsts and a young player. Doubt it would happen, but something like:
Markannen to Celtics
Lonzo to Bulls
Celtics 21 1st, Bulls 22 top 10 protected first, Nesmith to Pelicans
That's the kind of offer it would take for me to trade him, and i don't think that would happen. Could do a similar type trade to the Knicks.
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Ball has been at times the Pelicans’ best defender,
Hart is the best defender, not Lonzo, and if you watch games if the both of them are in, Hart is on the best player. Lonzo is incapable of getting around a simple pick, which is usually the root of all of our defensive issues.
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and he’s certainly their best playmaker in the backcourt
I don't even know what this means. Is he trying to say that only Lonzo and Bledsoe make up the backcourt, so Lonzo is better at playmaking than Bledsoe? congrats. Lonzo is not a playmaker, and that doesn't mean he isn't a good player.
I don't think we should be trading him right now, unless it's for a legit player, or if we get a great offer, like 2 firsts and a young player. Doubt it would happen, but something like:
Markannen to Celtics
Lonzo to Bulls
Celtics 21 1st, Bulls 22 top 10 protected first, Nesmith to Pelicans
That's the kind of offer it would take for me to trade him, and i don't think that would happen. Could do a similar type trade to the Knicks.
Posted on 3/9/21 at 9:32 am to duyp
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Do you think it’s like CP3 and West scenario when Chandler got traded? Or AD with Cousins/Rondo when they left? To where Ingram/Zion wants Lonzo here.
This right here has a lot more impact on this trade/re-sign decision than most think, but you still don't do it if it's not at the right cost, and that's just something you have to explain to your two stars about the business of the league. yes we want to keep Lonzo, but if the Knicks offer him 4/$105, then it's just not in our best interest to match that.
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