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re: New Orleans Pelicans are willing to part ways with Brandon Ingram in hopes of getting Dame
Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:15 pm to Pelefraan 1
Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:15 pm to Pelefraan 1
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That's not a good enough excuse to pussy out of marrying up two top 15 players right now
uh yes, it is
especially when we're a growing, young team WITH a war chest to acquire assets.
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Still got 2 years control of Zion and 3 of Dame
the alternative is a 6-10 year window
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Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:24 pm to Pelefraan 1
quote:The way I understand is we have 3 years of Zion control no matter what.
Still got at least 2 years control of Zion (3 if he signs the QO)
If the deadline passes and Zion, or whoever, hasn't signed their QO, that doesn't change their restricted free agent status. It only affects them being able to accept the QO.
Basically meaning, if Zion refuses to sign the QO, he only loses the ability to sign the QO, but he still remains a restricted free agent. It would actually be great news for us, as it would lock us into his next deal.
I'm not 100%, but fairly certain that's how it works. But at worst, the Pels have 3 years left with Zion on this team before he could leave as an unrestricted free agent.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:That's assume Ingram signs with us again, right?
the alternative is a 6-10 year window
Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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especially when we're a growing, young team WITH a war chest to acquire assets.
This is exactly why you build a war chest. To acquire a disgruntled top 5-10 guy. Which is pretty rare that they actually become available.
IF we get Dame our growth is done. That's the end game
I feel like you just want to perpetually kick the can down the road and end up nowhere
This post was edited on 6/30/21 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:32 pm to Pelefraan 1
quote:As a small market team, I do not think you can wait and pass on it, assuming you can get the next guy.
To acquire a disgruntled top 5-10 guy. Which is pretty rare that they actually become available
If Dame is avaiable and we can actually pull off, you gotta do it IMO, even if it means losing BI.
We can't assume we can get the next guy. We don't know when the next dude as good as Dame comes available, a guy THAT good doesn't come available every year. It could be a dude in the last year of his deal or so like AD that has more leverage and we're not on his list. Heck, I'm not even sure we could get him as Dame should have some bit of leverage here,b ut just pointing out, waiting could mean we never even have an opportunity to get a guy like Dame. If it were realistically possible, I think you have to do it.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:35 pm to shel311
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As a small market team, I do not think you can wait and pass on it, assuming you can get the next guy.
If Dame is avaiable and we can actually pull off, you gotta do it IMO, even if it means losing BI.
Agreed completely. Superstars win you titles. Dame is super fricking clutch too.
The last superstar to get traded was Kawhi and look how that ended. You could argue AD too. Both got titles for their new team.
BI is not one now and will never be a superstar. Is supremely tradeable. Shoots about 5% in clutch minutes. Hideous.
Make the trade Griff
This post was edited on 6/30/21 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:41 pm to Pelefraan 1
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This is exactly why you build a war chest. To acquire a disgruntled top 5-10 guy.
Not an old one, though
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I feel like you just want to perpetually kick the can down the road and end up nowhere
No I'm all for unloading it for SGA, Mitchell, KAT, Beal, etc. Beal is about the outer limit, though, age-wise
Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:41 pm to Pelefraan 1
i hope lilliard wants a year or two with zion.
i pay 10th, both laker firsts
2 future 2nds.
ingram.
no more.
i pay 10th, both laker firsts
2 future 2nds.
ingram.
no more.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Not an old one, though
I disagree that 30 is old. It's smack bang prime if you ask me
Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:47 pm to Pelefraan 1
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I disagree that 30 is old. It's smack bang prime if you ask me
again, there simply aren't many example of smaller scoring guards lasting into their early 30s. a few of the exceptions have been listed and discussed in this thread, but there aren't that many
when they fall off, it's like a RB. sudden and hard.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
We can win a title within 2 years with Dame and Zion
Is that not good enough for you?
Do you need a guarantee we'll win the title in 2028?
Also, Westbrook has had an outstanding year this year. He's been a chucker all his life, whereas Dame has been clutch his whole life.
I really don't think you have any idea what you're talking about
Dame is infinitely closer to Steph than he is to RWB
Is that not good enough for you?
Do you need a guarantee we'll win the title in 2028?
Also, Westbrook has had an outstanding year this year. He's been a chucker all his life, whereas Dame has been clutch his whole life.
I really don't think you have any idea what you're talking about
Dame is infinitely closer to Steph than he is to RWB
This post was edited on 6/30/21 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:57 pm to Pelefraan 1
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Shoots about 5% in clutch minutes. Hideous
he looks like a scared 6 yr old in crunch time . hes ruined.
needs a guru or
Eselen.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:59 pm to CelticDog
He needs to be traded is what he needs
Posted on 6/30/21 at 1:02 pm to Pelefraan 1
there seems to be this very emotional and borderline irrational dislike of Ingram
there also seems to be a large overlap in posters suffering that issue who also find it easy to deal BI for Dame
there also seems to be a large overlap in posters suffering that issue who also find it easy to deal BI for Dame
Posted on 6/30/21 at 1:17 pm to imAMAZING
Should have done what was necessary to make that move up
Posted on 6/30/21 at 1:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Well, the 2nd part shouldn't be surprising. Those folks who dislike Ingram would obviously be more apt to moving him for Dame.
there seems to be this very emotional and borderline irrational dislike of Ingram
there also seems to be a large overlap in posters suffering that issue who also find it easy to deal BI for Dame
Posted on 6/30/21 at 1:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
there seems to be this very emotional and borderline irrational dislike of Ingram
there also seems to be a large overlap in posters suffering that issue who also find it easy to deal BI for Dame
I personally think BI is a legit good dude that plays great ball. He really is baby KD on offense imo. I just don't know if he can ever be even average on defense, and at his position that's a death sentence for most teams.
You also have a huge glaring need at pg so getting Dame is a crazy good way to fill that need hahaha
Posted on 6/30/21 at 1:37 pm to Pelefraan 1
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Dame is super fricking clutch too.
I love that people keep touting this, but his playoff shooting is atrocious overall. career 41.2/36.9/88.7.
outside of this year (46.3%), dude shot 40.6%, 41.8%, 35.2% the last 3 years.
Yeah he makes a clutch shot at the end, but he's inefficient the other 90% of the game.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 1:38 pm to shel311
Pretty sure taking the QO makes you unrestricted the next offseason and free to sign anywhere, that’s the “upside” in doing it.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 1:54 pm to shel311
I don't understand how someone could say yeah let's pass on dame.
Has a killer instinct, something we can't say about Ingram.
Dame and zion in pick and roll would be money.
Vets would come here to play with dame and Zion.
Has a killer instinct, something we can't say about Ingram.
Dame and zion in pick and roll would be money.
Vets would come here to play with dame and Zion.
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