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re: New Orleans Pelicans are willing to part ways with Brandon Ingram in hopes of getting Dame
Posted on 6/30/21 at 9:57 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Posted on 6/30/21 at 9:57 am to Brettesaurus Rex
I remember how bad I wanted us to draft Lillard in 2012 to pair up with AD instead we ended up with Austin Rivers.
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Posted on 6/30/21 at 10:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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I mean they didn't have Nurkic for most of last year and never really had a flow when he got back. that's a major addition
they're not title contenders but they're a potential top 4 seed if they re-sign powell and avoid injuries
"Nurk is finally going to be healthy this year, Dame -- I promise!"
If that's the message from Portland's front office to Lillard, I can guarantee you that message is not going to resonate.
McCollum is a player in decline. The rest of the West is upgrading as usual, and the Blazers are basically standing pat. Without a major trade, Portland is going to have real difficulty in just making the playoffs next season. And Dame knows it.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 10:37 am to GOP_Tiger
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Without a major trade, Portland is going to have real difficulty in just making the playoffs next season.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 10:47 am to SlowFlowPro
If you look at the west, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to see Portland closer to the play-in conversation than a top 4 seed.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 10:48 am to TotesMcGotes
Agreed. Portland aren't improving, therefore they're going backwards
Posted on 6/30/21 at 10:54 am to Pelefraan 1
I really don't think Portland is all that good. They have Lillard, McCollum and a bunch of role players.
That's not good enough when other West teams have two legit All Stars.
Lebron/Davis
Kawhi/George
Paul/Booker/Ayton
Mitchell/Gobert
Jokic/Murray
I'd say Portland is in that Dallas no man's land area with one superstar and a shitty robin. You can throw the Pels in there too, although I like Ingram way more than Porzingis and McCollum.
Memphis is a rung below even that imo. I see Memphis and Portland potentially falling way further. Dallas maybe too.
That's not good enough when other West teams have two legit All Stars.
Lebron/Davis
Kawhi/George
Paul/Booker/Ayton
Mitchell/Gobert
Jokic/Murray
I'd say Portland is in that Dallas no man's land area with one superstar and a shitty robin. You can throw the Pels in there too, although I like Ingram way more than Porzingis and McCollum.
Memphis is a rung below even that imo. I see Memphis and Portland potentially falling way further. Dallas maybe too.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 11:40 am to TotesMcGotes
that's a reasonable discussion, not saying they will have "real difficulty" in making the playoffs, esp if they stay healthy
lillard
CJ
powell
Roco
Nurkic
is a REALLY good and balanced starting 5. they have some bench pieces in kanter and trent jr.
they're not facing "real difficulty" in avoiding the 12th seed or something
*ETA: but to get back to the real point, who is a better team with Dame than Portland? Denver? Philly? Sure. Miami? maybe. Anyone else with a realistic shot at getting Dame? that's a very short list
lillard
CJ
powell
Roco
Nurkic
is a REALLY good and balanced starting 5. they have some bench pieces in kanter and trent jr.
they're not facing "real difficulty" in avoiding the 12th seed or something
*ETA: but to get back to the real point, who is a better team with Dame than Portland? Denver? Philly? Sure. Miami? maybe. Anyone else with a realistic shot at getting Dame? that's a very short list
This post was edited on 6/30/21 at 11:42 am
Posted on 6/30/21 at 11:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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bench pieces in kanter and trent jr.
They traded Gary Trent Jr. (and Rodney Hood) to get Norman Powell.
This post was edited on 6/30/21 at 11:46 am
Posted on 6/30/21 at 11:48 am to SlowFlowPro
And, as I said, gambling that "this year is finally the year that Nurk stays healthy" is a bad gamble.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 11:49 am to TigerinATL
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They traded Gary Trent Jr. (and Rodney Hood) to get Norman Powell.
well i did miss that. i'm not a blazers expert by any means
but still, they were the 5 seed with a hurt nurkic almost all year and powell coming in late. what team that can acquire Dame will be better?
Posted on 6/30/21 at 11:49 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Not the point of the convo, but they traded him for Powell.
trent jr.
quote:
who is a better team with Dame than Portland?
Golden State
Denver
Philly
New Orleans
Boston
Miami
I think that's probably the list of teams that would still be better than Portland after making a "realistic" trade for Dame.
Posted on 6/30/21 at 11:49 am to GOP_Tiger
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And, as I said, gambling that "this year is finally the year that Nurk stays healthy" is a bad gamble.
they were still the 5 seed this year, right? without him
Posted on 6/30/21 at 11:51 am to Epic Cajun
quote:
Denver
Philly
already said
quote:
Golden State
IF they want to do this and IF the money can work. i don't think it can without giving up Klay
quote:
New Orleans
if we give up ingram? i'm not sure but it's possible
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Boston
they'd have to give up Brown or Tatum so no. they'd be better but not nearly good enough
quote:
Miami
it depends on what they have to give up. if they have to give up Bam? no way
Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
Golden State: Would be centered around Wiseman, 7, 14, and 2026/2028 firsts, Wiggins to make the salary work
Boston: Would be centered around Brown and picks. Dame/Tatum + playing in the East would make them a higher level contender over Portland
Miami: I listed them last, because as you said if they have to give up Bam they aren't better. It's unlikely that they have enough assets to really pull it off.
New Orleans: I think we're pretty clearly better than Portland even if we have to give up Ingram. Dame/Zion is probably a top 5ish 1/2 combo in the league.
LeBron/AD
Brooklyn Trio
Kawhi/George (pending Kawhi's injury and him staying in LAC)
Steph/Klay (pending Klay's return at 100%)
Who else is a definitively better 1/2 than Dame/Zion?
Boston: Would be centered around Brown and picks. Dame/Tatum + playing in the East would make them a higher level contender over Portland
Miami: I listed them last, because as you said if they have to give up Bam they aren't better. It's unlikely that they have enough assets to really pull it off.
New Orleans: I think we're pretty clearly better than Portland even if we have to give up Ingram. Dame/Zion is probably a top 5ish 1/2 combo in the league.
LeBron/AD
Brooklyn Trio
Kawhi/George (pending Kawhi's injury and him staying in LAC)
Steph/Klay (pending Klay's return at 100%)
Who else is a definitively better 1/2 than Dame/Zion?
Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:02 pm to Epic Cajun
I dunno, but it sickens me how many people won't give up BI in a Dame trade, like he's Tatum quality or something.
Get a fricking grip
Get a fricking grip
Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:04 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
Who else is a definitively better 1/2 than Dame/Zion?
definitely? not many. Brown/Tatum could be an argument. jokic/murray could be an argument b/c of how awesome Jokic is
quote:
Dame/Tatum + playing in the East would make them a higher level contender over Portland
3rd in the East is worse than 5th in the West
boston would still have the same problem they have now (kind of what I worry Nola will face if it's just Lillard/Zion) and they're losing Stevens. they'd be better but not THAT much better
Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:05 pm to Pelefraan 1
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I dunno, but it sickens me how many people won't give up BI in a Dame trade, like he's Tatum quality or something.
it's about age. i think most would agree with my post pages ago saying if we were trading for 27-year old Dame it wouldn't be an issue
Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
IF we get Dame, we are win now and he's 30. That's more than perfect.
Age is not an issue
Durant just came off an achilles and played on of the best playoff games ever. He's 32.
Steph is as good as any of his MVP seasons and he's 33.
Early 30s is less than a non issue. It's actually these guys' prime
Age is not an issue
Durant just came off an achilles and played on of the best playoff games ever. He's 32.
Steph is as good as any of his MVP seasons and he's 33.
Early 30s is less than a non issue. It's actually these guys' prime
This post was edited on 6/30/21 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:10 pm to Pelefraan 1
he's 31 when the next year starts. and we still have 3-4 more major moves we'd have to make to be in title contention
we have a 2, maybe 3-year window and then we have no warchest or Ingram. just Zion/Ball and a $50M salary for a declining Dame + whatever other expensive guy we have to finish out the roster
THAT is the concern. if it goes tits up, we're rebuilding again just as Zion is deciding on his extension
we have a 2, maybe 3-year window and then we have no warchest or Ingram. just Zion/Ball and a $50M salary for a declining Dame + whatever other expensive guy we have to finish out the roster
THAT is the concern. if it goes tits up, we're rebuilding again just as Zion is deciding on his extension
Posted on 6/30/21 at 12:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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THAT is the concern. if it goes tits up, we're rebuilding again just as Zion is deciding on his extension
That's not a good enough excuse to pussy out of marrying up two top 15 players right now
Still got at least 2 years control of Zion (3 if he signs the QO) and 3 of Dame
That's more than enough time to win a title
Trade Kira/NAW (both if need be), our 1st this year and BI. Heaps of 1sts. Try and get back RoCo
Dame
Lonzo
RoCo
Zion
Adams/Jax/Willy
NAW/Kira
Hart
Naji
And so on. That's a title team
This post was edited on 6/30/21 at 12:24 pm
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