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re: New Orleans Pelicans are willing to part ways with Brandon Ingram in hopes of getting Dame
Posted on 6/29/21 at 9:39 am to Epic Cajun
Posted on 6/29/21 at 9:39 am to Epic Cajun
quote:There ya go.
This is fresh
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Posted on 6/29/21 at 10:15 am to Epic Cajun
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I tend to think that he probably doesn't have as much leverage as most stars who forced their way out due to his age and contract though.
There is no honest assessment of the situation that would conclude he does.
4 years left on his contract at age 30. Portland isn’t going to stick a knife in him is my guess, but they aren’t going to ask him for a list and feel trapped. If New Orleans comes with an Ingram deal(setting aside whether we should), and it’s the best deal on the table, he’ll be in NO.
Lowe outright handwaved away the idea that he could demand his way to one of the LA’s or NY. Said they just don’t have the assets and their fans need to let it go. Implying quite clearly that this is not some overleveraged situation where Lillard just gets to write his plane ticket to what team he wants to play for. And to conclude it is is to literally ignore reality.
This post was edited on 6/29/21 at 10:20 am
Posted on 6/29/21 at 10:38 am to Bronc
quote:And Lowe would know this how? Harden went to Brooklyn when they did not have the best assets. That was not simply because Houston wanted to do the Nets a favor.
Lowe outright handwaved away the idea that he could demand his way to one of the LA’s or NY. Said they just don’t have the assets and their fans need to let it go. Implying quite clearly that this is not some overleveraged situation where Lillard just gets to write his plane ticket to what team he wants to play for. And to conclude it is is to literally ignore reality.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:02 am to NOSHAU
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And Lowe would know this how?
Lowe is tied into many NBA teams.
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Harden went to Brooklyn when they did not have the best assets.
they had assets, dude. wtf. they dealt multiple 1sts and 2 young assets in that deal
the teams who have already blown their load (which now includes Brooklyn) don't have either, really.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:05 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Lowe is not that connected. As far as assets, you are kidding yourself if you think the Nets had the best assets for Harden.
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And Lowe would know this how?
Lowe is tied into many NBA teams.
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Harden went to Brooklyn when they did not have the best assets.
they had assets, dude. wtf. they dealt multiple 1sts and 2 young assets in that deal
the teams who have already blown their load (which now includes Brooklyn) don't have either, really.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:09 am to shel311
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You've fought with more dudes the past 2 days on Pels Talk then I have in probably weeks
That legit made me
This post was edited on 6/29/21 at 11:10 am
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:10 am to NOSHAU
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And Lowe would know this how? Harden went to Brooklyn when they did not have the best assets. That was not simply because Houston wanted to do the Nets a favor.
I’m actually with you if you followed the whole conversation. Lowe was evoked by someone else as an expert on FO’s. And even he doesn’t think the same leverage exists despite being sympathetic to the argument.
Houston poisoned their own well because they wouldn’t deal with Philly according to reports. And Harden’s reputation was at an all time low. Brooklyn was told by KD and Co. to go get him and they made the offer they had to. H
To me if you can’t see the obvious differences in context you aren’t trying to look
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:11 am to NOSHAU
Harden had less years on his contract, was fat as frick and kept openly breaking covid protocols. He’s also one of the least clutch players in the league. He was poisoning the well on his own market even more than AD and his dirtbag dad did. Hell, we could’ve gotten in on the Harden deal if we wanted. They supposedly called us and we didn’t even pick up the phone. We disliked that option so much, we decided to overpay for Steven Adams instead. Houston’s ither good offer was from Philly, but they likely didn’t like the optics of sending Harden back to Morey.
Plus Simmons ended up sucking, but if you had him on the team, there is no way they end up with the option to draft Mobley or Green this year.
Plus Simmons ended up sucking, but if you had him on the team, there is no way they end up with the option to draft Mobley or Green this year.
This post was edited on 6/29/21 at 11:13 am
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:12 am to NOSHAU
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As far as assets, you are kidding yourself if you think the Nets had the best assets for Harden.
They didn't, but you think maybe other teams that had better assets weren't interested in giving up all their assets for a year and a half rental of Harden?
And making a trade in the offseason is a lot easier than making one after the season starts.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:14 am to Bronc
I think the truth falls somewhere in the middle of the scenario. I don't think Portland trades him to a team like the Lakers because they legitimately have zero assets of value, but at the same time, I don't think they would trade him to Cleveland just because they came up with the "best" package. The likely scenario would be that they would field offers, get input from Dame as to where he would like to play of the (legitimate) offers they get, then try to use the leverage of other offers to attempt to get more out of his desired choice.
They aren't sending him to the Lakers for 2 picks, Schroeder, Kuzma, and Horton-Tucker
They aren't sending him to the Lakers for 2 picks, Schroeder, Kuzma, and Horton-Tucker
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:18 am to NOSHAU
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As far as assets, you are kidding yourself if you think the Nets had the best assets for Harden.
i never said they had the best, but they had suitable assets
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:19 am to Epic Cajun
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The likely scenario would be that they would field offers, get input from Dame as to where he would like to play of the (legitimate) offers they get, then try to use the leverage of other offers to attempt to get more out of his desired choice.
I think it will really come down to what those offers are and how Dame goes about it.
There is just no real incentive on the part of the organization to, say, tank their own future for better short term PR.
Unless you are a team that can really compete I don’t think you make an offer for Dame anyways, and I don’t think Cleveland has the best assets compared to someone like Philly.
I think though, if someone like the Pels offers Ingram, Kira, and firsts, and the next best offer is Simmons and they don’t really like Simmons, they aren’t gonna take Simmons to satisfy Dame, they’re taking our deal and pulling a Griff and saying, listen, you’re going to a good situation, but we have mouths to feed too.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:26 am to Epic Cajun
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They aren't sending him to the Lakers for 2 picks, Schroeder, Kuzma, and Horton-Tucker
It would be "basketball reasons" part two imo hahaha
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:35 am to Colonel Flagg
Would you guys trade Ingram for Michael Porter Jr? Both of them are pretty bad defensively but I think MPJ has more of an alpha mentality than Ingram. We probably would have to give MPJ the max too.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:35 am to NOSHAU
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. As far as assets, you are kidding yourself if you think the Nets had the best assets for Harden.
not the best, but at the time it was:
Oladipo coming off an injured season, but started the season fairly well. If they wanted to keep the trade without involving Oladipo, it would have been LeVert.
They also received: 2021, 2023, 2025, and 2027 pick swaps. So really the only meaningful ones are from 2025 and 2027.
2022, 2024, and 2026 unprotected picks. 2024 and 2026 being the most meaningful.
That's a decent haul of picks. the only thing they didn't get was a 'young budding star', which I get is a huge part of it...but considering how poisoned that well was...it's not bad.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:35 am to Bronc
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don’t think Cleveland has the best assets compared to someone like Philly.
Cleveland’s picks are worth much more than Philly’s.
ETA: If Portland would want to go the rebuild route, Garland, Okoro, 3, and then firsts in 24, 26, and 28 is a really good package
I don't think that a team like Cleveland would do that, as it gets them no where, just pointing out that they could hypothetically put together a good package.
This post was edited on 6/29/21 at 11:46 am
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:38 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:That is the point I was making. He can effectively force himself to a team (regardless of whether they have the best assets) because teams with better assets (like the Pels) would not give them all up without him wanting to go there.
They didn't, but you think maybe other teams that had better assets weren't interested in giving up all their assets for a year and a half rental of Harden?
And making a trade in the offseason is a lot easier than making one after the season starts.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:41 am to NOSHAU
quote:Plus the question isn't whether Dame just gets to call his shot and pick his team and that's that.
And Lowe would know this how? Harden went to Brooklyn when they did not have the best assets. That was not simply because Houston wanted to do the Nets a favor.
The question is more nuanced, in that he does have some leverage per Lowe and just the general thought it seems. It doesn't seem likely Portland will tell him to stay out of it entirely, and they'll let him be involved in the process. That's what Lowe said, he said in no uncertain terms, that Portland wouldn't jisy ship him wherever they wanted with no regard for him because of how bad that would look.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:43 am to St Augustine
quote:Not gonna lie, don't get it lol.
That legit made me
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:44 am to shel311
quote:Right, but IMO, it didn't come off as he was speaking from knowledge of the situation, but rather he was making an educated assumption based upon how the NBA typically works.
That's what Lowe said, he said in no uncertain terms, that Portland wouldn't jisy ship him wherever they wanted with no regard for him because of how bad that would look.
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