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re: New Orleans Pelicans are willing to part ways with Brandon Ingram in hopes of getting Dame
Posted on 6/27/21 at 11:12 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 6/27/21 at 11:12 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Right, the Blazers only would trade him if he wants it. And he's not going to want to go to a team that he feels is even worse than what he has now. His leverage would be to just say nah I rather stay here than play for that team. Find me another team, here's a list.
I will only play for ________
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Posted on 6/27/21 at 11:13 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
I’d rather trade all of our firsts than trade BI
Posted on 6/27/21 at 11:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Pretty sure he'd be 35
It's showing his contract ends in the 24-25 season he would turn 35 in July of 2025.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 11:16 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
I will only play for ________ .
And when Portland says tough shite, now what?
Lillard is under contract through 2025.
His leverage is minimal.
He can try and pull a Harden but teams won’t bite or be nearly as hesitant because Lillard doesn’t have the question marks or toxic history.
He can threaten to retire but no one is believing he leaves 200 million on the table and his legacy/reputation with it.
If he wants out truly, he is not going to get to pick his landing spot like AD or Kawhi.
quote:
When that is narrowed down it’s not even about a bidding war. It’s about zeroing in on a player & trying to get the best deal possible around that player
And how do you get the best deal you want? You leverage the surrounding demand to maximize your return from the buyer you really want.
Again, High demand + limited Supply = Increased Price.
This post was edited on 6/27/21 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 6/27/21 at 11:25 pm to Bronc
quote:
And when Portland says tough shite, now what?
Dude. Ya serious?
Posted on 6/27/21 at 11:29 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
This is why you build a warchest
Posted on 6/27/21 at 11:30 pm to shel311
quote:
Right, the Blazers only would trade him if he wants it. And he's not going to want to go to a team that he feels is even worse than what he has now. His leverage would be to just say nah I rather stay here than play for that team. Find me another team, here's a list.
Dame has never played with a player the cailber of Zion. Dude took a team with CJ as the 2nd best player to a WCF and the last 2 years a team with the corpse of Melo playing major minutes to the playoffs. You really think he feels like playing with freaking Zion would be a worse team than what he has in Portland.
I love some of the thinking I see here in one post it's "Zion is a generational talent that we could not lose or it's the death of the franchise.
But then the thinking in another topic is " why would x player want to come here" well if Zion is what we think he is players will want to play with him.
Zion destroyed Portland everytime they played you think Dame didn't take notice. Dude probably dreams about all the open shots he would have with Zion legit planet size gravitational pull lol.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 11:33 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Dude. Ya serious?
You seem unable to grasp that players are not dictators, even in this era.
Lillard’s leverage in this situation is minimal relative to other recent superstar fallouts.
You keep trying to act like it’s all the same, but you can’t seem to explain how?
Lillard is under contract through 2025.
His leverage is comparatively minimal.
He can try and pull a Harden but far fewer teams will bite or be nearly as hesitant because Lillard doesn’t have the question marks or toxic history.
He can threaten to retire but no one is believing he leaves 200 million on the table and his legacy/reputation with it.
If he wants out truly, he is not going to get to pick his landing spot like AD or Kawhi. Which means the market will be wide and strong for his services, which means his price will be very high.
This post was edited on 6/27/21 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 6/27/21 at 11:36 pm to Jar_Jar_80
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I just looked it up, Dame would be 34 the last year of his deal I can live with that.
Exactly. So basically Chris Paul’s Rockets run when they were up 3-1.
Don’t even make it to 35. And then you could still reassess then.
Posted on 6/27/21 at 11:38 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Nash was 35 during his deepest playoff run as well.
Everyone wants to point to Kemba, and it’s fair to consider it, but Lillard is a better technical basketball player than Kemba ever was/is.
I’d have some concerns, but I think some of the handwringing is overblown
Everyone wants to point to Kemba, and it’s fair to consider it, but Lillard is a better technical basketball player than Kemba ever was/is.
I’d have some concerns, but I think some of the handwringing is overblown
Posted on 6/27/21 at 11:54 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:
I’d rather trade all of our firsts than trade BI
I remember the first time I got drunk
Posted on 6/28/21 at 12:08 am to whatiknowsofar
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Lillard didn't have Zion to play with in that series did he?
The argument was that Lillard is so much better than AD and is a true #1 that can carry a team and AD a # 2 that can’t. But in the playoffs when AD was a number one, they got swept with Lillard getting handled by Jrue….
This post was edited on 6/28/21 at 12:09 am
Posted on 6/28/21 at 12:11 am to Bronc
quote:
Nash was 35 during his deepest playoff run as well. Everyone wants to point to Kemba, and it’s fair to consider it, but Lillard is a better technical basketball player than Kemba ever was/is.
I think Nash’s game is more in line with CP3 and ages better. Lillard is no doubt better than Kemba but their games are more similar compared to Nash and CP3
Posted on 6/28/21 at 12:17 am to Bronc
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And when Portland says tough shite, now what? Lillard is under contract through 2025. His leverage is minimal.
I asked earlier and no one answered, why does Portland have to trade him then. You just laid out the reasons. Especially if they don’t get blown away on a deal. They could call his bluff and tell him to suit up or retire ala Aaron Rogers.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 12:25 am to Brettesaurus Rex
quote:On to the next one guys.
Swin Cash
@SwinCash
·Busy day! I get on social media and yeah I’m Out! y’all really have to chill with click bait... goodnight
Posted on 6/28/21 at 12:41 am to Bronc
Wait people on this board actually think:
1) Lillard would want to play for this franchise
2) This franchise's FO would actually be capable of pulling off a move like this
The trade speculation on this board never seems to take into account that the other team we trade with will actually want something worthwhile in return. What are we going to give them? Ingram/Kira/Hayes/4 1sts? And that's what it would take, if we're lucky. Well ok but good luck winning games when your 3rd best player is....Lonzo?
Not to mention Portland isn't going to send Lillard where he doesn't want to go and bring even more scrutiny down on themselves. Yeah he's under contract and has little leverage, but they're not going to ship him off to Siberia (aka the Pelicans).
So he's gonna force his way out from a small market team with a mediocre roster with an above average fanbase with limited historical success to an even smaller market with zero fanbase a total shitshow roster and zero historical success?
Hope truly springs eternal on this board. There is a 0.0% chance of this happening
1) Lillard would want to play for this franchise
2) This franchise's FO would actually be capable of pulling off a move like this
The trade speculation on this board never seems to take into account that the other team we trade with will actually want something worthwhile in return. What are we going to give them? Ingram/Kira/Hayes/4 1sts? And that's what it would take, if we're lucky. Well ok but good luck winning games when your 3rd best player is....Lonzo?
Not to mention Portland isn't going to send Lillard where he doesn't want to go and bring even more scrutiny down on themselves. Yeah he's under contract and has little leverage, but they're not going to ship him off to Siberia (aka the Pelicans).
So he's gonna force his way out from a small market team with a mediocre roster with an above average fanbase with limited historical success to an even smaller market with zero fanbase a total shitshow roster and zero historical success?
Hope truly springs eternal on this board. There is a 0.0% chance of this happening
Posted on 6/28/21 at 1:17 am to SlowFlowPro
I love Dame but man his age... I wouldn't mind trading Ingram and all our first rounders for Donovan Mitchell though.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 1:18 am to Brettesaurus Rex
I can assure you we will not be in market for a big name like that… does Dame have a no trade clause? I’m sure he’d want to win a ring at this point in his career.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 1:35 am to Townedrunkard
Bruh you keep pointing to a series from 4 years ago to make a point that Dame isn’t as good as AD and it still aint working tbh.
One player improved. One regressed as a human being, became the ultimate beta cuck fig, and forced his way onto his childhood idols team.
Dame and AD aren’t even in the same class of individuals, let alone basketball players.
One thing people aren’t even mentioning as an advantage of trading for Dame is that it puts us on the map, especially if it ends up working. If we win a title or two and then Dame retires, you might actually get to the point where other disgruntled stars want to play with Zion in New Orleans because they’ve seen that it can be a winning formula.
Worst case scenario, this shite doesn’t work. We still have at least one first rd pick a year, Zion who is worth assets, NAW/Hayes who are further developed and might be worth assets, Older Dame- worth assets, etc
Even the worst case scenario puts us in a spot that is no worse than the one we are already in right now.
All you fricking “fans” that want to be fricking pussies and pray for an 8th seed every year and/or stay in the back of the lotto purgatory while worshipping AD’s one shining moment in the first rd of the fricking 2017 playoffs can get on the back of the bandwagon. It’s pathetic.
One player improved. One regressed as a human being, became the ultimate beta cuck fig, and forced his way onto his childhood idols team.
Dame and AD aren’t even in the same class of individuals, let alone basketball players.
One thing people aren’t even mentioning as an advantage of trading for Dame is that it puts us on the map, especially if it ends up working. If we win a title or two and then Dame retires, you might actually get to the point where other disgruntled stars want to play with Zion in New Orleans because they’ve seen that it can be a winning formula.
Worst case scenario, this shite doesn’t work. We still have at least one first rd pick a year, Zion who is worth assets, NAW/Hayes who are further developed and might be worth assets, Older Dame- worth assets, etc
Even the worst case scenario puts us in a spot that is no worse than the one we are already in right now.
All you fricking “fans” that want to be fricking pussies and pray for an 8th seed every year and/or stay in the back of the lotto purgatory while worshipping AD’s one shining moment in the first rd of the fricking 2017 playoffs can get on the back of the bandwagon. It’s pathetic.
This post was edited on 6/28/21 at 1:44 am
Posted on 6/28/21 at 5:49 am to danman6336
quote:
The trade speculation on this board never seems to take into account that the other team we trade with will actually want something worthwhile in return. What are we going to give them? Ingram/Kira/Hayes/4 1sts? And that's what it would take, if we're lucky. Well ok but good luck winning games when your 3rd best player is....Lonzo?
Not to mention Portland isn't going to send Lillard where he doesn't want to go and bring even more scrutiny down on themselves. Yeah he's under contract and has little leverage, but they're not going to ship him off to Siberia (aka the Pelicans).
Say, it, With, Me.
4 year contract.
Lillard has minimal leverage if he asks out.
And me and plenty of people already offered a litany of paths to be the top bidder and my argument has been it will be expensive.
We have the assets, the question is: does it actually get to that point with Lillard and Portland? Is he the guy the FO would go in for?
We CAN beat anyone’s offer in the hypothetical scenario, the question is of will or want.
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