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re: Need a big signing this offseason
Posted on 5/8/18 at 9:19 am to TPecoraro23
Posted on 5/8/18 at 9:19 am to TPecoraro23
not a chance imo that Philly lets Covington go. he's a staple of that team and just signed a major extension.
Tucker signed a 4 year deal. And the only way we get Ariza is if he agrees to split the BAE with Rondo
Barton is a SG. he's 6'6", and a weak 180. He would be an upgrade to Moore but at SG, not SF. Bazemore is at least 20 pounds heavier, players better defense, and allows the Pels to probably offload Solo.
I think the best players that fit the most glaring need for us that we even have a shot at are Otto Porter, DeMarre Carroll, and Kent Bazemore. That's about it
Tucker signed a 4 year deal. And the only way we get Ariza is if he agrees to split the BAE with Rondo
Barton is a SG. he's 6'6", and a weak 180. He would be an upgrade to Moore but at SG, not SF. Bazemore is at least 20 pounds heavier, players better defense, and allows the Pels to probably offload Solo.
I think the best players that fit the most glaring need for us that we even have a shot at are Otto Porter, DeMarre Carroll, and Kent Bazemore. That's about it
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Posted on 5/8/18 at 9:22 am to TigerinATL
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Will Hood be getting any offers bigger than the MLE? If not I wonder how the Cavs would feel about a S&T of Hood for Moore, assuming LeBron stays of course?
I remember when the consensus was Hood could get close to the max while he was in Utah, how far he has fallen
Posted on 5/8/18 at 9:41 am to DeionDeion
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Barton is a SG. he's 6'6", and a weak 180. He would be an upgrade to Moore but at SG, not SF. Bazemore is at least 20 pounds heavier,
The Hawks downward trajectory seemed to have begun with them thinking Baze could fill Carroll's shoes and then he wasn't big enough to guard LeBron and the Hawks haven't been the same since. If we're paying that much for a wing he needs to be a 3/4, not a 2/3.
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I remember when the consensus was Hood could get close to the max while he was in Utah, how far he has fallen
He's an RFA in an offseason where there will be a cash crunch and he not only played poorly in the playoffs he quit on his team. It almost makes you question using Moore to trade for him on our end, but I would think GM LeBron would like Moore a lot better than the kid that shrunk and quit on the big stage.
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 9:47 am
Posted on 5/8/18 at 9:57 am to TigerinATL
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The best case scenario for the Pels is a healthy Hill living up to Demps' expectations for him like Jrue did. Unless the Pels can get in on a deal for one of the star level players, I don't think Demps would have much interest in trading Hill. He gave him that money for a reason. I'm not saying it was a good reason, but he saw something he believes in, because there were a lot of comparable players he could have targeted for less money.
I think Dell stills believes in Hill. If Hill can get back healthy, he has tools to be effective in our system. He is a versatile defender, good cutter, and decent passer. His rebounding won't be a big issue playing alongside AD/Mirotic/Boogie. He just needs to be able to hit the 3 at a decent clip so they cannot completely sag off of him.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:21 am to TigerinATL
My preference is to keep Moore and he be the backup 2, like he's supposed to be, and i think he can thrive at that position.
Ideally i'd like to swap Solo out for a better 3. Carroll would be a nice get.
I'd also prefer to keep Mirotic for the time being, considering Cousins isn't coming back strong next season most likely, unless we can swap him out for someone worth a shite, and get back a high 2nd round pick, maybe something from Orlando considering their pick is high and and they have Charlotte's 2nd round pick, or Atlanta's 2nd round pick, or the Bulls 2nd round pick which belongs to the Knicks.
It would be nice if we could find our way back into the top 6 or 7 of the 2nd round this draft.
So i'd like to see Solo/Ajinca and i guess the 2019 first for Carroll in the offseason.
Before the trade deadline, assuming Cousins is acclimating well, then do something like Mirotic to Orlando for Simmons/Augustin and their 2019 2nd, or Mirotic to Charlotte for Marvin Williams and their 2019 2nd.
Rondo/Augustin
Jrue/Moore/Jackson
Carroll/Simmons/Miller
AD/Diallo
Cousins/Okafor
That would be 8 guys that can play playoff basketball, not counting Miller/Jackson/Diallo/Okafor. Obviously we need some fillers on minimum deals, but find a big on a minimum deal and a PG, like Clark if possible and you've got your 14.
Ideally i'd like to swap Solo out for a better 3. Carroll would be a nice get.
I'd also prefer to keep Mirotic for the time being, considering Cousins isn't coming back strong next season most likely, unless we can swap him out for someone worth a shite, and get back a high 2nd round pick, maybe something from Orlando considering their pick is high and and they have Charlotte's 2nd round pick, or Atlanta's 2nd round pick, or the Bulls 2nd round pick which belongs to the Knicks.
It would be nice if we could find our way back into the top 6 or 7 of the 2nd round this draft.
So i'd like to see Solo/Ajinca and i guess the 2019 first for Carroll in the offseason.
Before the trade deadline, assuming Cousins is acclimating well, then do something like Mirotic to Orlando for Simmons/Augustin and their 2019 2nd, or Mirotic to Charlotte for Marvin Williams and their 2019 2nd.
Rondo/Augustin
Jrue/Moore/Jackson
Carroll/Simmons/Miller
AD/Diallo
Cousins/Okafor
That would be 8 guys that can play playoff basketball, not counting Miller/Jackson/Diallo/Okafor. Obviously we need some fillers on minimum deals, but find a big on a minimum deal and a PG, like Clark if possible and you've got your 14.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 10:42 am to TeddyPadillac
I'm not high on trading Moore like some folks. I don't think the return of available sf is going to offset what we lose at backup sg and creates a hole im not sure frank Jackson or Ian Clark can fill.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 11:17 am to TeddyPadillac
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So i'd like to see Solo/Ajinca and i guess the 2019 first for Carroll in the offseason.
We cannot give up another 1st for a 31 year old expiring Carroll. I get that he had a decent season again in Brooklyn and could be a decent fit, but that is giving up way too much to upgrade from Solo to Carroll.
Ideally I would love to target WAS for Porter & Satoransky including a team like Sacramento to dump Mahinimi.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 11:26 am to NOFOX
agreed. Carroll is a solid player and a good fit, but he's not the guy he was in Atlanta a couple years ago. Hill has been awful. he also has played in only 20 games this year. selling low on him w/ a first to get an expiring, older Carroll isn't the wisest move imo
my dream is for the Wiz to go full retard (i.e. let Grunfeld be Grunfeld) and push to get Wall/Boogie together. Boogie for Beal/Smiht. Beal doesn't solve the wing problem, but i'd love to see a Davis, Holiday, Beal, Mirotic, Rondo unit. that would be a lot of fun
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Ideally I would love to target WAS for Porter & Satoransky including a team like Sacramento to dump Mahinimi.
my dream is for the Wiz to go full retard (i.e. let Grunfeld be Grunfeld) and push to get Wall/Boogie together. Boogie for Beal/Smiht. Beal doesn't solve the wing problem, but i'd love to see a Davis, Holiday, Beal, Mirotic, Rondo unit. that would be a lot of fun
Posted on 5/8/18 at 11:50 am to corndeaux
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Beal doesn't solve the wing problem
He's 6'5" with a 7' wingspan and weighs just over 200.
He's more than capable of defending the 3 with those measurables.
Youre not going to find the perfect guy that can defend LeBron and KD. LeBron and Kawhi or the only people capable of doing that effectively.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 11:55 am to TeddyPadillac
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Beal doesn't solve the wing problem
He's 6'5" with a 7' wingspan and weighs just over 200.
We reportedly had interest in Wes Matthews last trade deadline. Considering the Supply/Demand problem with legit 3 and D wings, a big SG might be better than the best wing the Pels can acquire. Either Matthews or Beal would be an upgrade over starting Moore at SF.
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 11:56 am
Posted on 5/8/18 at 12:15 pm to TigerinATL
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Either Matthews or Beal would be an upgrade over starting Moore at SF.
Beal would be a massive upgrade, but the Wiz aren't trading him. I have no interest in spending assets to convert Solo or Moore into Matthews at $18M.
If we are going to spend another first, then it needs to be for a big upgrade in skill and/or contract.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 12:19 pm to TigerinATL
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The Hawks downward trajectory seemed to have begun with them thinking Baze could fill Carroll's shoes and then he wasn't big enough to guard LeBron and the Hawks haven't been the same since. If we're paying that much for a wing he needs to be a 3/4, not a 2/3
Hadn’t thought of Atlanta’s downfall like that but I do agree that we need a 3/4 over a 2/3. And I remember Baze getting paid way too much at the time.
But you’re right I’d much much prefer Porter or Carroll way over Baze. However I could tolerate him if he can play some defense. Which is why is be upset if we got Barton or Fournier. Both are offensive guys with below average defense
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 5/8/18 at 12:24 pm to NOFOX
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I have no interest in spending assets to convert Solo or Moore into Matthews at $18M.
No, but someone like Wes Matthews seems like he'd be a buyout candidate if the Mavs are bad again and he doesn't get traded. He'd probably be a buyout candidate if he does get traded depending on where he went.
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 5/8/18 at 2:11 pm to TigerinATL
Maybe we can sign Rodney Hood for a decent price after last night LOL dude went off every time he came to the SKC!
Rondo would average 20 assists per game if he played with a healthy boogie/niko, ad, hood and Jrue all season!
Rondo would average 20 assists per game if he played with a healthy boogie/niko, ad, hood and Jrue all season!
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 5/8/18 at 2:25 pm to TeddyPadillac
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He's more than capable of defending the 3 with those measurables.
no, he isn't.
first, his wingspan is listed at 6'8' on draftexpress. he's basically an Eric Gordon build. you want EG defending wings? 2nd, he's just not a good defender. if you're working at a deficit of size/strength, you need to be able to compensate. unlike Holiday, i dont think Beal has shown he knows how to do that.
no one can defend LeBron or Durant. but the best teams realize they need guys they can throw out there to at least make them work some. Beal isnt that guy at all. Porter is a better option if that's what you want.
the benefit of a Beal is that you say "frick it. we're just going to try to outscore them" i dont think that would work v GS or Cleveland, but it would be a hell of a lot of fun to watch.
stopping a Davis, Holiday, Beal, Mirotic 4some from getting a good look is pretty tough. even playing an offensive 0 like Hill with them, the spacing problems those 4 create still means lots of points
Posted on 5/8/18 at 2:40 pm to Broski
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That's fricking stupid, we need to show AD every year for the rest of this contract that we are trying to compete for titles.
We need to improve every year.
Well, maybe you don't understand how salary caps work---
also, like i said before, NO-ONE is beating GS as assembled.
AD is under contract and once we lock his BFF down this summer he's def not going anywhere. You don't rush to just sign somebody just to make a showy statement. That's how we got in the S.Hill mess we're in now.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 3:31 pm to corndeaux
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Carroll is a solid player and a good fit, but he's not the guy he was in Atlanta a couple years ago. Hill has been awful. he also has played in only 20 games this year. selling low on him w/ a first to get an expiring, older Carroll isn't the wisest move imo
We don’t need him to be ‘Atlanta DeMarre Carroll’. We don’t need any SF to be an a star for that matter. We need at least a top 20 SF. Which even at 31, Carroll can be. Anyone to take Solo off the floor (or out of town) and move Moore back to full time guard.
I think Carroll could be had for Solo/Ajinca/Diallo/2nd. Not giving up much and at worst gets rid of Solo’s contract. Then do we resign Mirotic or go after someone else when his $15 mil comes off the books?
Posted on 5/8/18 at 3:41 pm to DeionDeion
Solo has been terrible this year but he was solid defensively last year. His 1.49 DRPM last year is in line with Carroll's 1.47 DRPM this season. Carrol had 1.8 DWS this season compared to Hill's 2.3 last year in pretty similar minutes. The main advantage of Carroll over a healthy Hill is he's more proven on offense, and his contract will be expiring. I'm not saying those 2 things are negligible, but I really think this offense plays to Hill's strengths and in the end you might be giving up assets for roughly the same player except Carroll is on the decline and you don't have the cap space to replace him.
I at least want to see how Hill looks in the offense before burning an asset to swap him out for Carroll.
I at least want to see how Hill looks in the offense before burning an asset to swap him out for Carroll.
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 5/8/18 at 3:50 pm to DeionDeion
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I think Carroll could be had for Solo/Ajinca/Diallo/2nd. Not giving up much and at worst gets rid of Solo’s contract. Then do we resign Mirotic or go after someone else when his $15 mil comes off the books?
I don't think it would even take that much. Hill/Ajinca/2nd should do it. No one is giving up a 1st for him in this economy that's for sure.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:06 pm to TigerinATL
You make a good argument and I understand if that's the direction Dell goes. Hill was a solid contributor last season while playing a ton of minutes, despite disappearing in many games. Can he get back to where he was? Maybe, but even last season, I don't think he was a top 20 SF.
I guess a better way of putting it is, what are you expectations in seeing how Hill looks? And how good does he have to play before you say "ok lets go get someone like Carroll"?
I guess a better way of putting it is, what are you expectations in seeing how Hill looks? And how good does he have to play before you say "ok lets go get someone like Carroll"?
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