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re: NBA Point Guard Power Rankings (Bleacher Report)
Posted on 1/23/13 at 4:43 pm to ssgtiger
Posted on 1/23/13 at 4:43 pm to ssgtiger
Defensively, Jrue is vastly superior. Vasquez gets to guard the weakest perimeter player on the opposing team and has a freak shot changer behind him in AD and 7 footer in Lopez.
That Lavoy Allen sure does strike fear in the hearts of would be penetrators......
That Lavoy Allen sure does strike fear in the hearts of would be penetrators......
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Posted on 1/23/13 at 4:45 pm to 504Voodoo
quote:
Chris Paul with a jumper
Without the defense or the consistency creating/setting up his teammates. So in other words, He's not like Paul.
This post was edited on 1/23/13 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 1/23/13 at 4:45 pm to 504Voodoo
frick Raymond Felton
Posted on 1/23/13 at 4:53 pm to supe12sta12z
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Without the defense or the consistency creating/setting up his teammates. So in other words, He's not like Paul.
Referring to his potential alone.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 5:09 pm to 504Voodoo
Jrue Holiday is going to be a top 5 point guard in a year or two, if he isn't already.
Vasquez is a very solid PG, but has probably just about hit his ceiling in the NBA.
Vasquez is a very solid PG, but has probably just about hit his ceiling in the NBA.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 5:14 pm to danman6336
quote:
Vasquez is a very solid PG, but has probably just about hit his ceiling in the NBA.
why?
Posted on 1/23/13 at 5:18 pm to drake20
Totally my opinion, but what more do you want from him? Unless he develops a totally deadly 15 foot jump shot, what else can you really ask for offensively.
He has a great floater, a consistent 3 pointer, and passes well. Other than a consistent jumper, there's not much else he could improve. He'll never be athletic enough to really create his own shot like the really elite PGs can.
In the end, it's his defense and physical limitations with his speed that hold him back from really being an elite PG. His D might get better, but you can't teach speed, and he just doesn't have it. He can't really beat most fast guards off the dribble.
He has a great floater, a consistent 3 pointer, and passes well. Other than a consistent jumper, there's not much else he could improve. He'll never be athletic enough to really create his own shot like the really elite PGs can.
In the end, it's his defense and physical limitations with his speed that hold him back from really being an elite PG. His D might get better, but you can't teach speed, and he just doesn't have it. He can't really beat most fast guards off the dribble.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 5:23 pm to drake20
And Holiday is what, like 4 years younger?
Posted on 1/23/13 at 5:25 pm to danman6336
quote:
He has a great floater, a consistent 3 pointer, and passes well.
if he continues improving these things, he can get a lot better. He's improved drastically at shooting in a small amount of time.
quote:
He'll never be athletic enough to really create his own shot like the really elite PGs can.
not all elite PGs are elite at creating their own shot
quote:
but you can't teach speed
you can...not that it will happen
Posted on 1/23/13 at 5:25 pm to danman6336
Holiday is better than Vasquez....i've never felt otherwise
Posted on 1/23/13 at 5:31 pm to drake20
quote:Ok, well name one that isn't.
not all elite PGs are elite at creating their own shot
Westbrook? Yep
Paul? Yep
Rose? Yep
Parker? Yep
Rondo? Yep, but his jump shot sucks
Curry? Yep
Irving? Yep
I'm not saying you don't have to be able to create your own shot to be very good, but you do in order to be "elite"
Posted on 1/23/13 at 5:34 pm to danman6336
quote:
Rondo?
no. he averages 13 PPG
...Nash in his great seasons?
This post was edited on 1/23/13 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 1/23/13 at 7:16 pm to WiskyMike
quote:
Gerry V says that GV isn't a legit NBA starting PG still.
Gerry V is a legit douche.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 8:14 pm to 504Voodoo
quote:this alone discredited that entire article. Jrue is easy top 5.
9. Jrue Holiday
Paul
Westbrook
Rondo
Irving
Jrue
Maybe add Parker infront of him but that is a stretch
Posted on 1/23/13 at 8:17 pm to TigerTatorTots
quote:
Jrue is easy top 5
no he isn't. he's having a good year, sure. but he isn't easily top 5.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 8:22 pm to quail man
quote:This ranking is about this year correct? If it isn't, then Vasquez shouldn't even be top 25
no he isn't. he's having a good year, sure. but he isn't easily top 5.
Posted on 1/23/13 at 8:29 pm to TigerTatorTots
The article actually has him at 7.
1 Paul
2 Westbrook
3 Rondo
4 Parker
5 Curry
6 Irving
7 Holiday
I think Curry should be 7 with Irving and Holiday at 5 & 6 respectively.
They have
8 Williams
9 Lillard
10 Jennings
11 Fleton
12 Gravy
1 Paul
2 Westbrook
3 Rondo
4 Parker
5 Curry
6 Irving
7 Holiday
I think Curry should be 7 with Irving and Holiday at 5 & 6 respectively.
They have
8 Williams
9 Lillard
10 Jennings
11 Fleton
12 Gravy
Posted on 1/23/13 at 8:30 pm to TigerTatorTots
quote:
This ranking is about this year correct? If it isn't, then Vasquez shouldn't even be top 25
BR;DR
i figured it was about in general, not just this year.
if this year, then yeah, he's probably top 5
Posted on 1/23/13 at 8:31 pm to ssgtiger
Williams should be 5
Posted on 1/23/13 at 8:33 pm to TigerTatorTots
quote:
This ranking is about this year correct? If it isn't, then Vasquez shouldn't even be top 25
Neither should Holiday by that measure. Both of them have gone from fringe starters to borderline top 10 PGs, but I think some are applying a double standard to say that Holiday is top 5 but Vasquez is not top 10. I do think Holiday is the better player, but based on how they are performing this year (and moreso recently), Holiday isn't leaps and bounds better.
Holiday's youth definitely implies more upside, but you never know. Some players peak younger than others. That said, he should have more left in his tank. However, because he uses his size and craftiness more than pure speed, Vasquez could possibly extend his career.
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