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re: Memphis will Likely trade for Bojan Bogdanovic

Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by NOSHAU
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:26 pm to
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With Memphis reassuring their run with Bojan Bogdanovic, we MUST trade for Gary Trent or Malik Beasley to keep up. Worst case scenario is Memphis outbids us for Malik Beasley who I believe is the best target for us to get ATM.


Read that Utah is asking ATL for Collins and a 1st for Beasley and Vanderbilt. Dealing with Ainge is crazy.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:30 pm to
I guess that's the leverage you have when you are in no rush to trade those guys. They're productive guys who would be valuable rotational pieces for any playoff team.

Utah is playing it smart since they need a good reason to to trade those guys. When you are winning games with those pieces, teams need to give you a good reason to let them go.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:43 pm to
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i dont know if memphis is really after bojan but for griff to go all in now feels a year too soon.

Zion is in year 4, BI I think year 7. CJ is like 31 years old. The time was 3 seasons ago, we are late.

The time is absolutely right now.

We just hit the halfway point of the season as the 3 seed. We need to do all we can to start this contending clock this postseason. These windows are usually small, we cannot afford to skip a year.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:45 pm to
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Virtually no one right now would say we are the most likely team to win a title. That alone tells me we absolutely should be trying to improve the team if possible.

On his pod yesterday Russillo said that the Pels might be the "scariest" team in the west not factoring in health. They said the only thing holding them back really is experience, which trading for someone mid-season isn't really going to add experience to our young stars/role players. Sure we can trade for a vet that has playoff experience, but realistically we're going to go as far as Zion and BI can take us and they need to be more battletested.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:47 pm to
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Rare Shel W

Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37532 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:47 pm to
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Zion is in year 4, BI I think year 7. CJ is like 31 years old. The time was 3 seasons ago, we are late.

The time is absolutely right now.

We just hit the halfway point of the season as the 3 seed. We need to do all we can to start this contending clock this postseason. These windows are usually small, we cannot afford to skip a year.

Going into the playoffs with the current roster isn't skipping a season, it's getting experience and seeing where our faults are when playing playoff basketball. The time to make a move is the coming offseason, IMO.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:50 pm to
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The time is absolutely right now.


The parity alone is the reason. You don't do an irresponsible, win now move, but you do trade expendable assets for a good vet rental or a real asset for someone that can fit the rotation long term.

Even at full strength we very clearly need a better 3rd big, and it'd be nice to have a shooter that takes all of Graham's minutes and gives you an alternative to Trey if he doesn't have it that night.
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 1:52 pm
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
113145 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:50 pm to
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On his pod yesterday Russillo said that the Pels might be the "scariest" team in the west not factoring in health.
Yep, listened to that one.

Not even a might be, Russillo said if the Pels are healthy, they are his pick to come out of the West, and KoC even agreed.

Counterpoint, he also said the Pels are the "worst bet" to be healthy. Can't really argue that unfortunately at the moment.
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They said the only thing holding them back really is experience, which trading for someone mid-season isn't really going to add experience to our young stars/role players
We have guys we like, that do make a mark in the regular season. But the playoffs are a different beast.

Graham should not be in a playoff rotation. As of right now, Dyson should not be in a playoff rotation. Depending on matchups, Jose may not be a dude you want to get more than 7-10 minutes. 1 month ago, I'd say Naji may not be a playoff rotation guy, but he's proving that wrong.

But you get the point, not everyone in our awesome, deep 10-11 man rotation is necessarily ready to be in a playoff rotation.

Again, has to be the right guy/right value, but we can 100% use another dude for our playoff rotation. I also agree that earlier in the season I woulda said an additional rim protector but now I feel the biggest need is another shooter.

Malik Beasley I think is the best fit across the board IMO.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
113145 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:52 pm to
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Going into the playoffs with the current roster isn't skipping a season
Obviously this is true.

My point is, if you feel this team may not quite be ready so we should wait, I could not disagree more. That's what I mean by wasting a season.

Our clock started this season, we should be doing all we can to start winning a title right now/this season.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
113145 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:53 pm to
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The parity alone is the reason. You don't do an irresponsible, win now move, but you do trade expendable assets for a good vet rental or a real asset for someone that can fit the rotation long term.

Could not agree more.

As you stated, it's not make any move. Still has to be smart. But now is the time to start moving all those draft picks for pieces, even if it's giving up a 1st for a rental for 1 season.
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
2309 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:55 pm to
Due to the Pelicans start Griff and Langdon are really in the driver's seat. There should be no rush to make an immediate deal, and if a deal is made, it's likely to happen closer to the deadline at terms favorable to the Pels.

Pels are at the point where they win against the teams they are favored most often which speaks to their talent and depth. The bigger issue is how they fair against the upper echelon teams (Healthy Warriors, Celtics, Nuggets, Bucks, Nets, and Grizzlies). Pels haven't fared as well, however in fairness they haven't been at full strength either.

I expect the next three weeks to be an evaluation period projecting how close the team is to winning this year as to whether they'll push their chips in or just make a trade around the margins to free up rotational minutes.

The Big 3 show individually they are primed to make a big swing this year and also that the Pelicans depth is real with more room for growth, however not as much data in the collective due to injuries.

What is known is that the Pels are still vulnerable against teams with mobile bigs, and perimeter players who can manipulate the PNR. My preference would be to lean toward establishing a third big along with Val and Larry who can function on the perimeter over an additional shooter. Although TM3 hasn't been the volume score some would have liked (particularly with injuries) he's proven to be a dead-eye that can take over games (see playoff run last year) as a fourth option.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37532 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:59 pm to
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Our clock started this season, we should be doing all we can to start winning a title right now/this season.

I guess my point is that getting playoff experience is still doing something and moving in the right direction. I'm not opposed to making a move on the margins, but I don't want to trade any first round picks yet. This team needs to gain experience playing together. Zion and BI have played what? 11 games together this season? Their on court chemistry (along with CJ) is what's going to move us in the right direction. If they are gelling and healthy, I think we're good enough to get where we're going to get this season. I'm usually an optimist but I just don't see us winning a title in the first year that we have our "core" together.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
113145 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:59 pm to
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My preference would be to lean toward establishing a third big along with Val and Larry who can function on the perimeter over an additional shooter.
My thoughts is agreed that we need both.

But the 3rd big is more so for the regular season. Meaning, you can't really have 3 bigs in a smaller playoff rotation.

But the shooter is a move for the regular season AND playoffs.

So I still want both and we need both, but I think the shooter is more imperative as that person can actually be in a playoff rotation every game. Whereas with that 3rd big, they're not necessarily playing every game in a postseason.
Posted by keakdasneak
Member since Dec 2006
7216 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:59 pm to
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Read that Utah is asking ATL for Collins and a 1st for Beasley and Vanderbilt. Dealing with Ainge is crazy.



I don't really follow or understand the ins and outs of NBA trades/salaries.

What would it presumably take for the Pels to acquire Beasley and Vanderbilt?
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 2:00 pm
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
13563 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:59 pm to
Rotational big is the only glaring hole we have. Billy and Hayes can't be relied on if we want to make a playoff run. On paper a JV/Nance combo should be enough but when JV is not playable against certain matchups, we are really in a hole.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
113145 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 2:08 pm to
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I don't really follow or understand the ins and outs of NBA trades/salaries.

What would it presumably take for the Pels to acquire Beasley and Vanderbilt?
Interested to hear what others think.

I don't think just salary match plus draft picks would work. I think one of Herb/Trey/Dyson would have to be included as part of a package.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37532 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 2:10 pm to
I feel like I heard somewhere that Utah wants a first for Vanderbilt. They'd also want a first for Beasley. No way am I giving 2 firsts for those two players, especially if I would have to include one of our good young players.

ETA: frick trading with Ainge, he only completes trades when he's the one performing the nonconsensual sex.
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 2:11 pm
Posted by TechTiger
Running an easy 10
Member since Feb 2007
1472 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 2:13 pm to
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I feel like I heard somewhere that Utah wants a first for Vanderbilt. They'd also want a first for Beasley


In order to get Beasley, we would have to include Graham and probably Temple/Kira for salary. So you would have to give up a first anyway….the question is do you give up a first and 2 seconds or 2 protected Firsts. Because that is likely what it would take.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
13563 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 2:15 pm to
Utah won't take that deal. They aren't trading those guys for trash and picks. They're trading them for a potential player they can keep or flip plus picks .
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
113145 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 2:18 pm to
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I feel like I heard somewhere that Utah wants a first for Vanderbilt. They'd also want a first for Beasley. No way am I giving 2 firsts for those two players, especially if I would have to include one of our good young players.

2 picks with some protection on them...not saying I'd do it, but I'd certainly consider it...but doubtful they'd do it.

That would be 2 considerable upgrades to our rotation.

1 issue with Vanderbilt, same issue myself and others have spoken about extensively. I'm not sure Jval/Nance/Vanderbilt can all coexist. They're all too good for 1 to be racking up DNPs, as 1 of those 3 would essentially take the WIlly role. So if you're adding Vanderbilt, my assumption is 1 of Nance/Jval would eventually but much sooner than later be moved.

Basically, Vanderbilt is too good to be the 3rd big IMO.
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 2:21 pm
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