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re: Make your trade pitches for Kawhi Leonard here

Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:04 am to
Posted by Whodatforlife21
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Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:04 am to
Spurs won’t trade him to the lakers per woj
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
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Posted on 6/18/18 at 10:16 am to
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Spurs won’t trade him to the lakers per woj




Kawhi has all the power though and reportedly does not want to play on the east coast. Woj said no Lakers because Boston can offer more, but Kawhi just has to let Boston or Philly know that his injury might act up on the East Coast and he won't be re-signing there. Maybe Boston still offers Brown and picks thinking they can convince him to stay like OKC did with PG, but I think writing off the Lakers is silly.
Posted by htran90
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Posted on 6/18/18 at 11:27 am to
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Kawhi has all the power though and reportedly does not want to play on the east coast. Woj said no Lakers because Boston can offer more, but Kawhi just has to let Boston or Philly know that his injury might act up on the East Coast and he won't be re-signing there. Maybe Boston still offers Brown and picks thinking they can convince him to stay like OKC did with PG, but I think writing off the Lakers is silly.



I'd disagree, its not like melo where he had the no trade clause.

They can throw kawhi anywhere, its up to teams like boston, if they feel like the risk is worth it.

If he wants to go to the LA market, unless he gets traded there this year, he's going to be limited to only clippers this time next year. Its a clear assumption that LeBron+PG will likely make it to the Lakers this year and if so, they will likely maneuver around pieces to get a 3rd star to contend this year as well. Likely limiting them for next offseason.

He can say whatever he wants, but the market that allows him to go to a location he wants are going to be changing rapidly.
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 11:29 am
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 6/18/18 at 11:34 am to
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Kawhi has all the power though


Nah
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 6/18/18 at 11:35 am to
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They can throw kawhi anywhere, its up to teams like boston, if they feel like the risk is worth it.



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He can say whatever he wants, but the market that allows him to go to a location he wants are going to be changing rapidly.


Right. But he can really affect teams' perception of the risk. He can make Boston be unwilling to risk Brown by threatening to sit out base don his injury. So maybe the Spurs will be obstinate and refuse to trade him to the Lakers just out of spite, but the return they will receive from other teams is going to be limited if Kawhi poisons the well.

Vegas odds have the Lakers as the clear favorites to land Kawhi at -200 despite the Spurs/Woj's posturing.

Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/18/18 at 11:54 am to
Has anyone heard any chatter on if this is part of a coordinated attempt at a Big 3 team up in LA with LeBron and PG-13? I still think Kawai wants to get paid and this is him twisting the Spurs arm. Nobody yet has seemed the least bit interested in turning down a supermax.
Posted by htran90
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Posted on 6/18/18 at 11:56 am to
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Right. But he can really affect teams' perception of the risk. He can make Boston be unwilling to risk Brown by threatening to sit out base don his injury. So maybe the Spurs will be obstinate and refuse to trade him to the Lakers just out of spite, but the return they will receive from other teams is going to be limited if Kawhi poisons the well.

Vegas odds have the Lakers as the clear favorites to land Kawhi at -200 despite the Spurs/Woj's posturing.



Right, its all dependent on the other teams around the league. The longer this goes and the market around the league get set (i.e. lakers getting LBJ/PG), it'll start to limit his future options and I think that's when the market starts a bidding war.

Assuming the goal is truly to land in the LA market, its the lakers or clippers obviously.

For Kawhi, the deal needs to be done sooner to ensure he can get to LA before other teams make long-term commitments that won't allow him to get there. Or at least won't allow him to get their easily.

For SA, they can wait on the market. The longer they wait, the more likely teams will know what happens out west and at that point the risk is lower knowing the Lakers are capped out for the future and that they'd have to contend with only the Clippers.

Clippers have Gallinari and Lou as the only two signed players going into 2019.

Teodosic is a RFA
Bev is an UFA
Rivers is an UFA
Harris is an UFA
Johnson is an UFA
DJ is an UFA

either sign with the Clippers or likely contend as the big dog with Boston.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 6/18/18 at 12:17 pm to
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Nobody yet has seemed the least bit interested in turning down a supermax.

At this point, I'm not sure the Spurs would offer it.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 6/18/18 at 12:44 pm to
That just seems dumb unless they're concerned about long term issues with his injury. He's an MVP candidate level player and that's who those contracts are made for.
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 12:44 pm
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 6/18/18 at 12:46 pm to
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That just seems dumb unless they're concerned about long term issues with his injury.

Apparently the injury was the major issue this season. If the bullshite conflicting reports are going to continue in regards to the injury, I wouldn't be jumping at offering him a DPE/Supermax. Especially if they thought he was healthy this season, and not playing.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 6/18/18 at 12:58 pm to
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That just seems dumb unless they're concerned about long term issues with his injury. He's an MVP candidate level player and that's who those contracts are made for.




I do not think the Spurs were comfortable offering the Supermax considering his injury and his "people" having such a high level of input on his treatment and career now.

I also think we are seeing some cracks behind the scenes of the Spurs organization and perhaps their reputation as the best organization in sports is a bit of a facade.
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 6/18/18 at 12:59 pm to
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I also think we are seeing some cracks behind the scenes of the Spurs organization and perhaps their reputation as the best organization in sports is a bit of a facade.

that was all duncan and popovich
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9947 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:08 pm to
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For SA, they can wait on the market. The longer they wait, the more likely teams will know what happens out west and at that point the risk is lower knowing the Lakers are capped out for the future and that they'd have to contend with only the Clippers.



This cuts both ways. If the Lakers need to get the deal done to attract Lebron, then I think they will have incentive to provide the strongest offer. If the Spurs wait and Lebron goes to Boston or Philadelphia or stays in Cleveland, then the Lakers offer for Kawhi lowers and if the Spurs trade him elswhere they just keep their powder dry and sign him next offseason (thereby introducing additional risk to other teams trading for him).


Posted by ulsaint
Member since Oct 2007
2460 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:20 pm to
There are no cracks in the Spurs facade. They just had their latest superstar go full retard and listen to some idiot uncle.

It's a weird situation where a guy comes across as one way but is totally the opposite of what you think. Kinda like Marvin Harrison being a murderer or Brees buying stupid jewelry. Kawhi who barely talks wants to be a brand? lol
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72028 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:30 pm to
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There are no cracks in the Spurs facade.


There were a game away from missing the playoffs w/o Leonard and they owe LMA and Gasol over $100+ mil over the next few years. The only real building block they have is Dejounte Murray

Their future direction hinges on what they do with Leonard. You could be looking at a possible sell off and rebuild
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9947 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:41 pm to
If this was the exact same situation with the Pels and AD, sure as shite everyone would be absolutely trashing the Pels organization.

The Spurs had to have a heart to heart and promise changes to prevent LMA from demanding a trade last summer. They follow that up with really poor handling of this whole saga with Pop and players openly questioning Kawhi in the media.


They should go full rebuild, but with so many older players, I think they trade Kawhi and try to retool.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61511 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:42 pm to
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They should go full rebuild, but with so many older players,


You also have Pop's near future retirement. They're like Miami, a team that should hit the reset button but that doesn't fit the timeline of management.
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 1:43 pm
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 3:56 pm to
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this was the exact same situation with the Pels and AD, sure as shite everyone would be absolutely trashing the Pels organization.


That could still happen in NO. Not in the clear yet. All of this is fragile. Davis goes down this fall and this year could be a mirage too.

Spurs had a 20 year run unlike anyone else. Bound to end at some point- the CBA is designed to ensure it. Still think they have built a great culture/"Spurs way"; does it survive Pop/Buford and vets cycling out is the question.

I do think they got bamboozled on Aldridge. But again, they had no other choice but to dip into FA for talent. And the contracts last summer were head scratchers.

What could they get for Aldridge in a trade?
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32489 posts
Posted on 6/18/18 at 4:08 pm to
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What could they get for Aldridge in a trade?

He was very good last year, but he's trending downward and is still under contract for two guaranteed seasons, with the third season guaranteed 7 mil.

I'm not certain that he's an asset right now. Maybe neutral. I can't really think of a team that would want to trade for him.
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