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Lot of time to kill before next game...so...I haven't been around here for long, but
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:08 am
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:08 am
---I think I've got a pretty good idea where this is eventually headed. Assuming one of our "big 2" is moved in the not too distant future, I'd like to know from some of you guys that have been around for quite a while, just which one will probably hit the road.
---I think I've seen enough to know what BI can do...and what he can't do. But when it comes to Zion, I still haven't seen him play in the playoffs when things get "real" & I assume teams will actually play defense & try to keep him from just lowering his head & ramming his way to the hoop. Therefore, I don't have a really good idea on just how valuable a commodity Zion is.
---So, help me out here...assuming one is moved, should it be BI or Zion?
---I think I've seen enough to know what BI can do...and what he can't do. But when it comes to Zion, I still haven't seen him play in the playoffs when things get "real" & I assume teams will actually play defense & try to keep him from just lowering his head & ramming his way to the hoop. Therefore, I don't have a really good idea on just how valuable a commodity Zion is.
---So, help me out here...assuming one is moved, should it be BI or Zion?
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Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:29 am to Dinky Mulberry
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Assuming one of our "big 2" is moved in the not too distant future
I don't think you can assume this at all. When it comes to star players teams don't break up with them. Teams are almost always the dumpee. Deron Williams getting preemptively traded after he made Jazz coaching legend Jerry Sloan retire is the only incident I can think of where the team moved first. Even as toxic as this Kyrie situation was, he's the one that demanded a trade before something happened.
As for who to choose if forced, I'd like another year at least to see if either can shake the injury bug. Because either one missing half the season every year is a bad foundation to build on.
I think Zion has more ways to reduce his injury risk like shooting and passing more, not to mention taking better care of his body. Between that and him being more of a ceiling raiser, you choose Zion as long as it looks like he's committed to improving his game and his injury risk profile.
This post was edited on 2/17/23 at 11:31 am
Posted on 2/17/23 at 11:36 am to Dinky Mulberry
quote:Not sure why people think that.
Assuming one of our "big 2" is moved in the not too distant future,
Regardless of what you want or think we should do, this is essentially year 1 of those 2 together with a team around them that is good enough to do something. They're not going to blow that up soon.
quote:You keep the clear and obvious best player, this is not a difficult decision.
---So, help me out here...assuming one is moved, should it be BI or Zion?
Posted on 2/17/23 at 12:21 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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Assuming one of our "big 2" is moved in the not too distant future
I would not assume this. We’re a small market team with 2 all-star caliber players who are under contract and seem to enjoy being here. The team has flashed a ceiling when they’re both on the court. I think the Pels will have a lot of patience with this pairing.
As far as Zion in the playoffs goes, I am not overly worried. In most cases, defenders can try extra hard if they want, they can’t stay in front of Zion’s combo of stength and explosiveness. He may see extra bodies in the paint and that’s when the role players will have to show they can knock down the open shots they’ll get.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 3:32 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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I think I've got a pretty good idea where this is eventually headed. Assuming one of our "big 2" is moved in the not too distant future, I'd like to know from some of you guys that have been around for quite a while, just which one will probably hit the road.
How long do you consider "eventually" to be. I personally don' think either of them will be traded unless they are in the final year of their contract or one of them (praying they aren't asshats) demands a trade. I've been around long enough to know that this franchise has never had the star material that they do now and they need to do all that they can to make it work for as long as they can. It's hard for this team to draw in marquee players so you need to hold on to them tight if you have them and try and make it work. Yes BI and Zion have their flaws, health being the biggest, but you just hope that at some point they will be healthy together. I still hold out hope that that is possible.
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So, help me out here...assuming one is moved, should it be BI or Zion?
Again, I don't think this will be the case, but if it does not work for years, I can see a Jazz situation where they blow it up like Jazz did with Mitchell and Gobert and move both of them. But that's not something I think about. I prefer to root for the stars we got as long as they want to be here.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 4:42 pm to Dinky Mulberry
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just which one will probably hit the road.
You always move the top 25 player and keep the top 10 player that has top 25 ever potential.
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I still haven't seen him play in the playoffs when things get "real" & I assume teams will actually play defense & try to keep him from just lowering his head & ramming his way to the hoop.
Teams will be allowed to be more physical with him in the playoffs, but Zion will also be allowed to be more physical. It would be a battle of wills.
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assuming one is moved, should it be BI or Zion?
You move BI and stack the team with as many 40% shooters as you can, put the ball in Zion’s hands and dare teams to double him.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 5:56 pm to TigerinATL
[quote]don't think you can assume this at all[/quot
You definitely cannot.
You definitely cannot.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 6:18 pm to DallasTiger45
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He may see extra bodies in the paint and that’s when the role players will have to show they can knock down the open shots they’ll get.
nope
they will jump him in the back court. see his handles.
see if he panic passes or charges.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 7:00 pm to Soggymoss
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many 40% shooters as you can
Brandon Ingram IS a 40% 3 point shooter. They don't just grown on trees.
Look, even large market teams pay stars through injured years hoping to get them for a good healthy year. To think the Pelicans can afford to send ANY stars away just doesn't make any sense.
Posted on 2/17/23 at 7:01 pm to armsdealer
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Brandon Ingram IS a 40% 3 point shooter. They don't just grown on trees.
This is an answer to the hypothetical posed by the OP where one of them has to be moved
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