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re: Local Media on the upcoming AD talks
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:04 am to Crewz
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:04 am to Crewz
While I mostly agree with you, NOLA is a very odd place and very insular. The second someone is perceived to have badmouthed it or it’s people, they are dead to a large portion.
Most will come back. But a lot of people will dislike him no matter what. It is what it is.
Most will come back. But a lot of people will dislike him no matter what. It is what it is.
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:05 am to TigerinATL
So I guess I should probably chime in here.
--I know who most of Fletch's sources are. I know who told him this one. It was someone from the team. I wouldn't call it minor.
--(Worth mentioning that after Mac and Fletch's yapping yesterday and once Fletch confirmed (he is correct) some of the others who will be at the meeting that Mac made his twitter account private and deleted that tweet.)
--What I tweeted was separate from Fletch. Not from a source intending to get the info out there. I'm just asked about AD returning A LOT.
--I'm obviously not going to go into who I use as sources, but do talk to people in AD's camp and have for a while. I also talk to people with the Pels.
--In terms of Griff and AD. They have not sat down for a big in person face to face meeting. That's happening soon. But they have communicated (calls, texts, etc.) many times per week. Griff is trying to sell him on his vision, plan moving forward, and moves he's already made (Aaron Nelson). And AD is totally unmoved. It's not like he doesn't know what's going on or that things are different than they were before.
--Maybe sitting down in person changes things. Maybe some more gets done before they do that moves AD a bit. If anything, it's good that AD is even listening to Griff after how things were before he was hired. But I'm not counting on it.
--At the end of the day, yes, it's not really a big surprise that AD hasn't changed his mind. But the thing to take away is he knows what's going on with the team, has communicated with Griff, and still hasn't changed his mind. That is what's worth talking about.
--I know who most of Fletch's sources are. I know who told him this one. It was someone from the team. I wouldn't call it minor.
--(Worth mentioning that after Mac and Fletch's yapping yesterday and once Fletch confirmed (he is correct) some of the others who will be at the meeting that Mac made his twitter account private and deleted that tweet.)
--What I tweeted was separate from Fletch. Not from a source intending to get the info out there. I'm just asked about AD returning A LOT.
--I'm obviously not going to go into who I use as sources, but do talk to people in AD's camp and have for a while. I also talk to people with the Pels.
--In terms of Griff and AD. They have not sat down for a big in person face to face meeting. That's happening soon. But they have communicated (calls, texts, etc.) many times per week. Griff is trying to sell him on his vision, plan moving forward, and moves he's already made (Aaron Nelson). And AD is totally unmoved. It's not like he doesn't know what's going on or that things are different than they were before.
--Maybe sitting down in person changes things. Maybe some more gets done before they do that moves AD a bit. If anything, it's good that AD is even listening to Griff after how things were before he was hired. But I'm not counting on it.
--At the end of the day, yes, it's not really a big surprise that AD hasn't changed his mind. But the thing to take away is he knows what's going on with the team, has communicated with Griff, and still hasn't changed his mind. That is what's worth talking about.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:07 am to NolaJake
Thanks for the information and clearing the record.
Your posts and knowledge are always welcome here. Make it a habit.
Your posts and knowledge are always welcome here. Make it a habit.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:09 am to NolaJake
You and I both know who Fletch's sources are and this is non news. Of course AD wouldn't have had his mind changed before the meeting. How is this news??
And yes, I like my privacy, so when Fletch screen shotted my tweet, I went private because I hate having followers. Hence, the switch every time they figure out who I am.
Everyone hears things, and your tweet was solid and measured. Fletch is acting like he is breaking major news when the truth is that the real news will be there to break in 2 weeks or so. And he is trying to be first by betting on the most likely outcome and then when it happens, he can act like he was first when the reality is that it won't truly be determined by all parties for a few weeks.
And yes, I like my privacy, so when Fletch screen shotted my tweet, I went private because I hate having followers. Hence, the switch every time they figure out who I am.
Everyone hears things, and your tweet was solid and measured. Fletch is acting like he is breaking major news when the truth is that the real news will be there to break in 2 weeks or so. And he is trying to be first by betting on the most likely outcome and then when it happens, he can act like he was first when the reality is that it won't truly be determined by all parties for a few weeks.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:17 am to Crewz
This would have been news if it came from AD or Rich Paul. Not from who it came from. And why would they tell anybody things have changed even if they wanted to/were open to come back? They would want Griffin to do more, prove more, add more prior to the meeting.
Again, nobody is debating that this is how it most likely plays out. But Fletch reporting this as "news" is just beyond dumb. The real news can be reported in a few weeks. But this is the era of being first, not best, so maybe that is just too lofty
Again, nobody is debating that this is how it most likely plays out. But Fletch reporting this as "news" is just beyond dumb. The real news can be reported in a few weeks. But this is the era of being first, not best, so maybe that is just too lofty
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:19 am to NolaJake
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--What I tweeted was separate from Fletch. Not from a source intending to get the info out there. I'm just asked about AD returning A LOT.
Thanks Jake, I wasn't trying to call you out or anything, I just thought both of you coming out with the info at the same time might have suggested something about the source.
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That's happening soon. But they have communicated (calls, texts, etc.) many times per week...And AD is totally unmoved.
He may be unmoved, but he obviously isn't unreceptive. I find it interesting that there is so much dialogue going on. I would think the standard play if he's still 100% trying to force his way out would be to limit communication.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:23 am to Crewz
I don't doubt you do know who they are. But then you also wouldn't have called it minor and said it wasn't from the team when neither of those are true.
I'm not here to defend Fletcher, and yes AD wouldn't change his mind before meeting. But to my last point above. He knows all the new info, he knows what the plan for the future is. They aren't keeping anything from him. And he still isn't opening the door a bit. Maybe Fletch didn't communicate that the best, but to me that is the biggest thing. Is it big breaking news? No. Is it worth saying and pointing out? Yes.
Yes and no. LeBron took a courtesy meeting with Philly this offseason and zero intention of signing there. Could be something similar to that. But, yes, the team has been a bit encouraged by the fact that he is even listening. But they also realize nothing is likely to change his mind.
I appreciate that! And the other kind words. I didn't think anyone was trying to call me out. I try and pop in here and there (or when a thread gets sent to me) and will keep doing so.
I'm not here to defend Fletcher, and yes AD wouldn't change his mind before meeting. But to my last point above. He knows all the new info, he knows what the plan for the future is. They aren't keeping anything from him. And he still isn't opening the door a bit. Maybe Fletch didn't communicate that the best, but to me that is the biggest thing. Is it big breaking news? No. Is it worth saying and pointing out? Yes.
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He may be unmoved, but he obviously isn't unreceptive. I find it interesting that there is so much dialogue going on. I would think the standard play if he's still 100% trying to force his way out would be to limit communication.
Yes and no. LeBron took a courtesy meeting with Philly this offseason and zero intention of signing there. Could be something similar to that. But, yes, the team has been a bit encouraged by the fact that he is even listening. But they also realize nothing is likely to change his mind.
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Your posts and knowledge are always welcome here. Make it a habit.
I appreciate that! And the other kind words. I didn't think anyone was trying to call me out. I try and pop in here and there (or when a thread gets sent to me) and will keep doing so.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:28 am to NolaJake
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or when a thread gets sent to me)
frickin narcs
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:30 am to NolaJake
If he would have laid it out better, I would have no issue. If it would have been a detailed, nuanced article, cool. Think of how Zach Lowe would have laid it out, for example vs how Fletch did.
His interest isn't informing and educating, it is about being as sensational as possible and getting eyeballs.
A decent 800-1200 word article with this as the centerpiece, but nuance would have been a good way to do it. Conversely, look at the responses to his tweet - all it did was rile up people and make them say things like good riddance to that jerk. As if AD did something negative again. Which he didn't
On your pod, you show all sides, have nuance. How could you not want someone like Fletch to do the same? It should anger you as much as it angers me.
His interest isn't informing and educating, it is about being as sensational as possible and getting eyeballs.
A decent 800-1200 word article with this as the centerpiece, but nuance would have been a good way to do it. Conversely, look at the responses to his tweet - all it did was rile up people and make them say things like good riddance to that jerk. As if AD did something negative again. Which he didn't
On your pod, you show all sides, have nuance. How could you not want someone like Fletch to do the same? It should anger you as much as it angers me.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:34 am to Crewz
Yes, Fletch and Zach Lowe. Very apt comparison.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:38 am to Fun Bunch
Like Michaelangelo and a graffiti artist basically 
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:40 am to Fun Bunch
Demand more. If you don't and you reward bad reporters, they will continue to be bad. Its not hard to write a solid, nuanced piece if you are an adult
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:40 am to Crewz
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Crewz
I don't think you're being fair. you're blasting fletch yet letting jake off the hook for essentially the same tweet and you're just conveniently nit picking the lay out of tweets. let it go, your 35% is apparently way off.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:41 am to LesGeaux45
I don’t know. There’s some really talented graffiti artists. And there’s Banksy
I’d say more like Michelangelo and a 1st grade class using their hands to make turkeys.
I’d say more like Michelangelo and a 1st grade class using their hands to make turkeys.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:42 am to Crewz
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Demand more. If you don't and you reward bad reporters, they will continue to be bad. Its not hard to write a solid, nuanced piece if you are an adult
We joke around about Fletch a lot but at least he covers the team. And look, he’s a TV sports anchor. Not a columnist.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:44 am to Chad504boy
Jake's tweet and Fletch's are not comparable.
And I still would put it at 35% but Griffin is gonna have to nail that meeting along with the other people who will be there. The lottery could help or hurt, as could other factors. The core of my 35% is as much about how unappealing the other options are, and that is not changing. In fact, the other options are all looking worse by the day.
This is a non story. The story will be told in two weeks.
And I still would put it at 35% but Griffin is gonna have to nail that meeting along with the other people who will be there. The lottery could help or hurt, as could other factors. The core of my 35% is as much about how unappealing the other options are, and that is not changing. In fact, the other options are all looking worse by the day.
This is a non story. The story will be told in two weeks.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:45 am to Crewz
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Its not hard to write a solid, nuanced piece if you are an adult
fletcher does not write a column
he doesnt even have an outlet to do it in
the criticism of his tweet as inflammatory is fair.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:46 am to cgrand
What happened to his little blog or whatever he always wrote his terrible trade idea and draft articles on?
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:49 am to Crewz
I mean it’s a blog from a sports TV anchor. He’s not a columnist nor does he claim to be.
I think you have to judge different people differently. That’s just not what he does. He’s not Zach Lowe and has never tried or claimed to be.
Like I said we poke fun at Fletch a lot. Constantly. But he’s just a tv guy reporting what he hears.
I think you have to judge different people differently. That’s just not what he does. He’s not Zach Lowe and has never tried or claimed to be.
Like I said we poke fun at Fletch a lot. Constantly. But he’s just a tv guy reporting what he hears.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:50 am to Fun Bunch
This is a surreal world when I’m sort of defending Fletch.
Out damn spot.
Out damn spot.
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