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re: Lavar campaigning for Lonzo to Charlotte

Posted on 11/25/20 at 11:23 am to
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 11/25/20 at 11:23 am to
Is there something I'm missing with us losing 4 mil in a Hart extension? His contract is 3.5 million so he will get probably 10 more million. Is his cap hit 9-10 mil?

Chances are its more like lose 15-20 mil if we re sign Hart and Lonzo.

So with the Adams deduction we would have 3-8 mill in space.

If we let Lonzo and JJ walk we will have 36 million in cap with Adams 12 mill difference.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 11/25/20 at 11:40 am to
I literally just showed you all the details, cap holds and everything.

You let Lonzo walk, we are right around $102M with a cap around $115. You keep Lonzo, we have no cap space.
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 11/25/20 at 11:49 am to
Right I'm referring to the post after yours that said if we re signed Hart and Lonzo we would only lose 8 mil in cap. And gain 12 mil from the Adams deal which would give us +4 mil. That doesn't sound right to me so I'm wondering if that's true.
This post was edited on 11/25/20 at 11:51 am
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 11/25/20 at 11:53 am to
I wasn't really directing that at you Dan.
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 11/25/20 at 11:55 am to
Can you at least help me out and tell me if that reasoning makes sense? How do we only lose 8 mil from re signing Hart/ Lonzo when Lonzo will get 5-10 mil more and Hart 8-12 mil more?
Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 11/25/20 at 12:58 pm to
I'm not trying to compare this year and next year. What's the point of that?
We know the numbers for next year already, so use them.


Ingram $29.5M
Bledsoe $18.1M
Adams $17.1M
Zion $10.7M
Hayes $5.4M
Kira $3.4M
NAW $3.3M

That's $84,009,131

Thornwell and Wenyen have Team Options for $1.8 each, so if you add them, which you might as well b/c even if you don't an empty roster spot is that much, on top of Hart's cap hold of $8.7M we arrive at $96,385,035 with 10 players, so you have to add almost a million basically for each of the 2 empty roster spots, so we are somewhere around $98M. That doesn't factor in our 1st round pick, which i don't know if you have to or not, and i'm not positive on if that empty roster spot is that low or if it's a bit higher, which is why i just said we would be around $102M.
Cap is projected around $115M
Lonzo's cap hold is $28.7M, but even if you resign him for $15M/yr, we aren't going to have cap space.
You don't resign Lonzo, and we have a good $15M to work with, on top of making trades to make more room, or S&T to bring in someone who we sign for over $15M.
Or you trade Lonzo to a team with cap space, like Charlotte for someone like PJ Washington, which gets us away from the tax this year and saves us $7M, and then we only have about $10M in cap space next year, kind of just like this year. We can easily be an over the cap team by signing JJ and Hart, or we can keep our $10M and try to make a trade to get more, or do a S&T to bring back someone worth $20-25M or more if we really want to.
Posted by Soggymoss
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Posted on 11/25/20 at 1:04 pm to
I really hope Griff and Trajan attempt to move Lonzo right now before the season starts.

Rumors are Clippers want to trade Lou Williams, they need veteran PG help. I wonder if Rozier would interest them? The money would be a little tough to work out because they would have to give up Zubac, but a 3-4 team deal could be worked out there.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 11/25/20 at 1:24 pm to
Are you implying that you want to bring in Lou Williams?
This post was edited on 11/25/20 at 1:24 pm
Posted by Soggymoss
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Posted on 11/25/20 at 1:26 pm to
No, I would dangle him and a protected pick to Atlanta for Reddish.

Or to aquire whatever piece Atlanta would want to release Reddish
This post was edited on 11/25/20 at 1:27 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 11/25/20 at 1:32 pm to
I think what has to happen for Atlanta to be interested in Lonzo is:

1) Lonzo plays relatively well but is clearly better suited to be a PG

2) Rondo looks like absolute shite and appears to be washed, or is a malcontent

3) One of their many many many Wings is buried on the depth chart

Then a deal could make sense for both sides wherein we send Lonzo and they send a Wing. Would probably need to include something small on our end to sweeten the pot.
Posted by Soggymoss
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Posted on 11/25/20 at 1:35 pm to
Rozier is on Charlotte.

What I was implying was a 3-4 team deal with Lonzo to Charlotte, Rozier to Clippers, Reddish to Pels, and fill in the rest from there.
This post was edited on 11/25/20 at 1:45 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 11/25/20 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

Rozier is on Charlotte.

What I was implying was a 3-4 team deal with Lonzo to Charlotte, Rozier to Clippers, Reddish to Pels, and fill in the rest from there.


Yeah, I know.

I was saying for Atlanta to consider a Lonzo/Wing swap, that's what would need to happen.

Most of their wings are more valuable than Lonzo.
Posted by Soggymoss
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Posted on 11/25/20 at 1:54 pm to
What I'm going for Atlanta wouldn't be getting Lonzo though.
Posted by Epic Cajun
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Posted on 11/25/20 at 1:58 pm to
I'm pretty sure he's throwing out a complete different scenario...where we would just make a swap with Atlanta...
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 11/25/20 at 2:02 pm to
Well your proposal doesn't make any sense because you don't even include Atlanta in it...

quote:

Lonzo to Charlotte, Rozier to Clippers, Reddish to Pels, and fill in the rest from there.


The "rest" is sort of important since Reddish would probably fetch a pretty high price on the open market.


I'm keeping it simple. Reddish (or wing) for Lonzo and...?
Posted by TechTiger
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Posted on 11/25/20 at 2:08 pm to
If it’s a 4-Teamer I would assume that Charlotte would be sending a pick to Atlanta.
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 11/25/20 at 2:12 pm to
So Charlotte sends out Rozier and a pick and gets back Lonzo?

Maybe MJ is stupid enough for that but man that would be terrible for them.
Posted by TechTiger
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Posted on 11/25/20 at 2:17 pm to
You would think they would be looking for someone to take Rozier right now. Having Graham and Ball there now and trying to get Lonzo, Terry should be looked at as a negative asset with his contract.

If we were taking on Rozier and sending Lonzo, I believe we would ask for at least a protected pick back.
This post was edited on 11/25/20 at 2:21 pm
Posted by Soggymoss
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Posted on 11/25/20 at 2:40 pm to
Reddish to Pels kind of includes Atlanta, wouldn't you think?

Atlanta would have no use for Lonzo, not with them signing Bogie, which means Lonzo would have to be sent out to take back whatever Atlanta would find appealing.

An example that works salary wise:
Atlanta: Lou Will
Charlotte: Lonzo, Zubac
LAC: Rozier
NOP: Reddish, Reggie Jackson on S&T min

Or Lou to another team for a piece Atlanta wants. Whatever it would take
This post was edited on 11/25/20 at 2:42 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 11/25/20 at 2:43 pm to
Would the clippers want Rozier over Lou and Zubac?
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