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re: KAT wants to be traded from the Wolves
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:21 pm to CocoLoco
Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:21 pm to CocoLoco
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I don’t want max money tied up with a big. We will be maxing BI who is at a much more valuable position. We’ve seen life with a talented elite big, it ain’t much.
gonna have to shell out money for a very good big either way, but the big we should be coveting is a Sabonis or Turner.
Defense - check
Range - check
Not a FT liability - check
Doesn't need the ball - check
Youth - check
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Posted on 12/30/19 at 11:32 pm to htran90
i View Hayes as our big man of the future though he’s another year or so away
Posted on 12/31/19 at 12:51 am to htran90
Turner has not looked very good this year. I’ll take him, but I’m not giving up a lot for him
Posted on 12/31/19 at 8:01 am to Macintosh
What are the details on his contract? How long will you be here?
Posted on 12/31/19 at 8:36 am to Tiger1242
I don't think you pull the trigger on KAT.
Feel free to tell me how wrong I am, but....
If the Pels are building around Zion and BI, what does KAT bring to that? Zion and BI need floor spacers...shooters. It was this board's biggest complaint with some of the players, outside of JJ. I'm not completely against the idea of packaging Jrue, but I don't feel KAT brings what is needed. Plus, the assets that would have to go out would almost certainly handcuff the future.
Feel free to tell me how wrong I am, but....
If the Pels are building around Zion and BI, what does KAT bring to that? Zion and BI need floor spacers...shooters. It was this board's biggest complaint with some of the players, outside of JJ. I'm not completely against the idea of packaging Jrue, but I don't feel KAT brings what is needed. Plus, the assets that would have to go out would almost certainly handcuff the future.
Posted on 12/31/19 at 8:58 am to SaintEB
The guy shoots nearly 42% from three on 8.5 attempts a game. Which makes up nearly half of his shots.
What about that won’t be spreading the floor for Zion?
I can understand some of the complaints on who you tie your money up with, but lets not pretend KAT/Zion/Ingram would not be an absolute nightmare together with the right complimentary pieces and coaching.
What about that won’t be spreading the floor for Zion?
I can understand some of the complaints on who you tie your money up with, but lets not pretend KAT/Zion/Ingram would not be an absolute nightmare together with the right complimentary pieces and coaching.
Posted on 12/31/19 at 9:11 am to Bronc
How did this post get 6 pages that quick
Posted on 12/31/19 at 9:37 am to Smedium27
People trying to convince themselves that 1.) KAT wont take a kings ransom to acquire and shitting on people acknowledging that. 2.) Convincing themselves that a 5 year controlled trio of Ingram/Zion/KAT wouldn’t be incredibly dominant and complimentary.
I’m not sure I would personally pay the ransom for him, but people acting like it would be outrageous to do so are silly. The guy is one of the most efficient offensive big men ever, the only player to ever maintain 25-10 while shooting 40% from three, and he is doing that taking 8.5 threes a game with defenses focused overwhelmingly on stopping him. Like AD, his defense has lagged his offense but I doubt that stays that way forever, like AD.
That player with Zion and Ingram would be ridiculous. Defenses would have no chance. I mean just imagine Zion initiating the pick and roll with KAT and Ingram on the arc. Or Ingram and Zion. There is no answer for that.
I’m not sure I would personally pay the ransom for him, but people acting like it would be outrageous to do so are silly. The guy is one of the most efficient offensive big men ever, the only player to ever maintain 25-10 while shooting 40% from three, and he is doing that taking 8.5 threes a game with defenses focused overwhelmingly on stopping him. Like AD, his defense has lagged his offense but I doubt that stays that way forever, like AD.
That player with Zion and Ingram would be ridiculous. Defenses would have no chance. I mean just imagine Zion initiating the pick and roll with KAT and Ingram on the arc. Or Ingram and Zion. There is no answer for that.
Posted on 12/31/19 at 9:39 am to Bronc
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, but people acting like it would be outrageous to do so are silly.
call me silly then. Completely outrageous.
Honestly I think anyone even contemplating it is a lunatic.
Posted on 12/31/19 at 9:48 am to Fun Bunch
Well you haven’t made a single convincing argument so far besides insulting people that disagree with your hot takes, so until you offer something else, whining and declarations are not convincing me.
What magical player do you think is walking through that door that is going to be able to replicate KAT’s output? What he is doing is literally unprecedented. And it is a game that compliments both Ingrams and Zion’s about as perfectly as anyone in the league. There is not a defensive team out there that has the tools to shut down that trio in a seven game series. And if Ingram is the player you think he will be in a year, that is a championship core in need of only some additional role players and depth.
What magical player do you think is walking through that door that is going to be able to replicate KAT’s output? What he is doing is literally unprecedented. And it is a game that compliments both Ingrams and Zion’s about as perfectly as anyone in the league. There is not a defensive team out there that has the tools to shut down that trio in a seven game series. And if Ingram is the player you think he will be in a year, that is a championship core in need of only some additional role players and depth.
Posted on 12/31/19 at 9:52 am to Bronc
Correct, if you can get KAT at any means without trading Jrue/Ingram/Zion then you pull the trigger. We have Zion on a rookie contract, so we will be good on the salary cap for a few years and hope we can win a championship within 2-3 years.
Posted on 12/31/19 at 9:53 am to Bronc
KAT is a center who spreads the floor. Know who you are and maximize it. If we can get KAT and somehow keep Jrue we move forward with a nucleus of Zion, KAT, Jrue and BI. 4th starter is 3 and D - plenty of those guys and JJ does it for this year. That's a contender for 3-4th in west for the next five years.
Give them our next two 1st rounders and ANYTHING ELSE no the roster.
Give them our next two 1st rounders and ANYTHING ELSE no the roster.
Posted on 12/31/19 at 9:54 am to Bronc
And lets also remember who is developing the system around such a hypothetical core: Chris Finch, the guy that created the Jokic Nuggets offense and took AD to another level and had him and Cousins on the cusp of an incredible run. The guy that had Jrue playing the best ball of his career using the energy that big men were drawing to emphasize his game of cutting and slashing.
If you could keep Jrue in this scenario(and maybe even if you have to give him up if the right pieces come back), I don’t know how you don’t do it barring someone like the Nets just raising the price to such outrageous levels or the Warriors having the first overall pick and forcing something that makes the PG/AD trade look like a bargain.
If you could keep Jrue in this scenario(and maybe even if you have to give him up if the right pieces come back), I don’t know how you don’t do it barring someone like the Nets just raising the price to such outrageous levels or the Warriors having the first overall pick and forcing something that makes the PG/AD trade look like a bargain.
This post was edited on 12/31/19 at 9:58 am
Posted on 12/31/19 at 9:59 am to Bronc
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Well you haven’t made a single convincing argument so far besides insulting people that disagree with your hot takes, so until you offer something else, whining and declarations are not convincing me.
Cool. I was not trying to convince anyone because its not going to happen and the opinion of those wanting to give up a king's ransom for KAT should be immediately dismissed with derision.
KAT is a good offensive player that is mentally weak and soft as charmin tissue. And he plays Center.
We live in a Guard/Wing league and we just spent the better part of a decade building (unsuccessfully) around a (better) big, we just drafted a big #1 overall, and you guys want to YET AGAIN add another big on a long term max contract?
Not only that, but we JUST went through the Dell Demps era of trading future assets and young players for "young vets" in order to accelerate a rebuild for a generational talent. Everyone was SO sick of trading the future for now and they hated the strategy after a few years of failure. Now everyone wants to do the same goddamned thing?
It makes no sense whatsoever. There is no need to cum your pants at the very first superstar that comes along.
This is a league where more and more players are asking for trades earlier and earlier in their contracts. There will be at least 2-3 other guys of similar caliber at more useful positions over the next 5 years.
Relax. Do this thing the RIGHT way. Use your draft picks. If you make trades dumping players and acquiring more picks, cool. Develop talent.
Build the future warchest. When the right Guard/Wing comes along at the right time (IE when Zion is a bonafide NBA supernova), make the move. This is simply not the right time and not the right player.
This thread (and Saints fans justifying AB) is indicative of one thing: message board posters are obsessed with the next shiny thing and don't think about it beyond "weeeeeeeeeeeeeee let's get that player".
Posted on 12/31/19 at 10:09 am to Fun Bunch
Your yourself already said it, you think Ingram is an all star on the cusp of superstardom. Then you have Zion that projects to be one as well and in the little we have seen looks to fit that bill.
This is not Demps trading for Evans, Asik, and Jrue to compliment a still raw AD and injury prone Gordon that hadn’t actually shown greatness, this is trading for an elite player to go with another elite player to go with your cost controlled future elite player.
And you keep appealing to these fantasy players that are going to be more complimentary that will come up in the next couple seasons. But that simply exposes that you are having to lean on magical thinking while also letting it be known why someone like KAT is so valuable in this scenario. You have him for 5 years, you have Ingram for 5 years. You have Zion for 7+. That is a rare opportunity in the league today, and to have those three all be elite superstar level talent is insane.
And KAT is not just good offensively, he is on a historical level right now. And it is telling none of your critique has to do with X’s and O’s and simply adhering to some principle of slow building. If you can keep Jrue you already have your elite guard and wing, now you just have two elite bigs to compliment them. So again, I am not seeing the issue? And unlike the Demps era, you aren’t trading on future potential, the fit doesn’t work and KAT and Ingram will have enormous value still. You wont be having to tie assets to guys like Evans or Asik to move them. People will come for KAT, for Ingram in a way no one was for Gordon or Evans. Demps failure was as much, if not more, about who he went after as it was why.
This is not Demps trading for Evans, Asik, and Jrue to compliment a still raw AD and injury prone Gordon that hadn’t actually shown greatness, this is trading for an elite player to go with another elite player to go with your cost controlled future elite player.
And you keep appealing to these fantasy players that are going to be more complimentary that will come up in the next couple seasons. But that simply exposes that you are having to lean on magical thinking while also letting it be known why someone like KAT is so valuable in this scenario. You have him for 5 years, you have Ingram for 5 years. You have Zion for 7+. That is a rare opportunity in the league today, and to have those three all be elite superstar level talent is insane.
And KAT is not just good offensively, he is on a historical level right now. And it is telling none of your critique has to do with X’s and O’s and simply adhering to some principle of slow building. If you can keep Jrue you already have your elite guard and wing, now you just have two elite bigs to compliment them. So again, I am not seeing the issue? And unlike the Demps era, you aren’t trading on future potential, the fit doesn’t work and KAT and Ingram will have enormous value still. You wont be having to tie assets to guys like Evans or Asik to move them. People will come for KAT, for Ingram in a way no one was for Gordon or Evans. Demps failure was as much, if not more, about who he went after as it was why.
This post was edited on 12/31/19 at 10:15 am
Posted on 12/31/19 at 10:18 am to TeddyPadillac
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Centers to win a championship as the best player: Shaq Duncan Olajuwon Dwight almost did. That’s it for the last 30 something years.
Is "center" really the right comp, though? How about: big guy who shoots a bunch of 3s? Then Dirk is your best comp, and 2011 isn't that long ago. And Dirk never even had a single season where he shot 3s with the volume and accuracy that KAT did last year (ignoring the insane numbers that KAT is putting up this year).
I'm not saying that we should try to make some kind of trade for KAT. I just don't think that "no, because he's a center" is a good argument.
And, yes, this whole thing is rather silly, but we don't have a game until Friday, so we've got to talk about something.
Posted on 12/31/19 at 10:19 am to Bronc
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If you can keep Jrue
You cannot. As everyone has said, he has 4+ years left on his contract.
Most star players we have seen disgruntled and asking for a trade have had a year or two at most. With that level of time left on the deal, the asking price if any will be astronomical. It will start with Jrue and then most of our picks and Lakers picks for the next 4 years.
There is simply no need to do this now.
Relax. Take a deep breath. For once in this shitty franchise's history, take a long term approach.
Posted on 12/31/19 at 10:26 am to Suntiger
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Is he kind of like Boogie
Quick blurb from Zach Lowe about Towns run after the all-star break last year
Another quick one from early November from Zach Lowe
Posted on 12/31/19 at 10:27 am to Fun Bunch
Sounds crazy but only way i make the trade is straight up for Zion.
We would compete to get in playoffs this year and future, and still have a boat load of picks. WE still have several young assets.
On paper, we basically traded AD for Kat(better player), several first rounders, Hart BI, Ball.
I said it before the season, Zion's walk was odd and its showing up to be an issue.
We would compete to get in playoffs this year and future, and still have a boat load of picks. WE still have several young assets.
On paper, we basically traded AD for Kat(better player), several first rounders, Hart BI, Ball.
I said it before the season, Zion's walk was odd and its showing up to be an issue.
Posted on 12/31/19 at 10:32 am to FMtTXtiger
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Sounds crazy but only way i make the trade is straight up for Zion.
Stop
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