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re: Jrue to Bucks for Bledsoe, George Hill and draft picks

Posted on 11/17/20 at 12:47 pm to
Posted by Macintosh
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 12:47 pm to
Jrue is getting overhyped to hell by ESPN and Reddit. I hope he does well but I think the expectations these analyst and talking heads are giving him are unrealistic. They consider him to be the #2 guy on that team... he’s not.
Posted by FMtTXtiger
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 12:47 pm to
will we really keep Zo, Bledsoe and Hill at PG? someone is moving and I think the Knicks will want one of them.

Posted by TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 12:50 pm to
I dont' want to trade Bledsoe. I think i was the first person in the first 10 pages that said i want to keep him.
He's basically the same player as Jrue, on both ends of the floor, and is $9M cheaper. And i think he's a better PG than Jrue as far as ball handling goes, and fits really nicely next to Lonzo, although my preference would be to trade Lonzo and hope to get back someone that can play the 4 or 5 with Zion. Move BI to SG and draft your SF (Bey/Vassell/Nesmith)
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 12:52 pm to
Of course he wanted a top 10 pick. But him making it that big of a deal was simply to make every other team throw in extra fillers who didn't have a top 10 pick. I mean we have been talking about needing a facilitator for a while now. So what we trade him for a top 10? The same idiots on here will be bitching about how we don't have a vet PG to help groom Killian or whoever we get. I feel like some of you are cool with trotting JJ out to play PG and run our team. Some of y'all sound fricking stupid. Hill is an expiring, Lonzo is a big question mark, and JJ has value on top of us knowing he is gone next year. The only player I care about having on this team besides BI, Zion, and Hart is Bledsoe right now.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 12:52 pm to
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will we really keep Zo, Bledsoe and Hill at PG?


Lonzo is not a PG, he's more of a 3 and D guard that throws lobs. From a roster construction perspective I would look at Lonzo as Jrue's replacement. Whether you keep both Bledsoe and Hill might depend on who you draft or how NAW is looking and whether you need more minutes for them.
Posted by supe12sta12z
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 12:53 pm to
Well he can certainly be the second guy in Milwaukee with Giannis as Brogdan covers up a lot of Holiday’s weaknesses. I think he’s going to suddenly get to the line a lot more than he did here and his efficiency should go up as he won’t be relied on on carry the offensive load. He’s in a good situation to play to his strengths.
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 12:54 pm to
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Of course he wanted a top 10 pick.


But I meant from the perspective of he desires a specific player and he's willing to trade multiple 1sts and maybe even a useful player like Bledsoe to jump up and get him.
Posted by Pelicansfan69
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 12:54 pm to
Griffin did a good job explaining to the world how he’s a super star. I kept seeing him disappear in games and then show flashes of incredible play.
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 12:55 pm to
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Well he can certainly be the second guy in Milwaukee with Giannis as Brogdan covers up a lot of Holiday’s weaknesses.


Did you mean Middleton? Had they paid to keep Brogdon they wouldn't have been desperate to trade for Jrue.
Posted by supe12sta12z
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 12:57 pm to
I was referring to Bogdanovic who they got from Sacramento.
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 12:58 pm to
Its really simple honestly. Lonzo will either take JJ/ Jrues role or he is gone. JJ may be gone but won't be here after next year. Hill is an expiring. So right now Bledsoe/ NAW are our PGs going forward. Lonzo, JJ, and Hart are our SGs. If we really are targeting Killian or another PG/SG then Lonzo, JJ, and NAW are the ones that would be shipped. I didn't add Hill because I'm not sure what his trade value is.
Posted by htran90
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 1:03 pm to
People are forgetting Middleton, but in all honesty they're still lacking a half court facilitator
Posted by ulsaint
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 1:06 pm to
Lonzo as a SG? A SG who can't shoot, sucks at FTs and can't finish.

Barf.

His upside was a dominant defending PG with Kidd like playmaking ability.

If he's not that, he's not worth keeping. The dude is a brickmaker.
Posted by Pelicansfan69
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 1:08 pm to
Maybe so but he has a nice fade-away step back 3 point shot.
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 1:13 pm to
I think that Bucks team is kinda set up to have Giannis and then several #2 guys. Giannis gets into foul trouble sometimes and Middleton can also go cold. They are relying more on Jrue and Bogdon to have those big games when the other 2 struggle. So yes they are gonna go in there and expect him to be the #2 guy when he needs to be.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 1:17 pm to
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If we really are targeting Killian or another PG/SG then Lonzo, JJ, and NAW are the ones that would be shipped.
Disagree, the likelihood that a rookie contributes to the team this upcoming season is relatively slim. So, I don't know why we would necessarily trade Lonzo, JJ, or NAW just because we draft a guard. There's a good possibility that JJ and Bledsoe are gone after this season, and we know Hill will be gone. At that point you would only have Lonzo, NAW, and Hart (who is a 2/3) under control (Lonzo and Hart are RFAs next offseason), plus whatever rookie we draft.
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 1:22 pm to
Bledsoe has 3 years remaining without the final year being guaranteed. If we draft a guard right now Bledsoe is the vet PG that helps our pick get better and also brings some skill sets that we lost with Jrue. JJ and Hill are gone after this season. If we can move either of them for value then it is worth it. I have no clue if our FO wants to pay Lonzo or what they'd want to pay Lonzo but he's not untouchable by the least bit and he's the best chance of getting that top 10 pick everyone wants.
This post was edited on 11/17/20 at 1:23 pm
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 1:31 pm to
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If we really are targeting Killian or another PG/SG then Lonzo, JJ, and NAW are the ones that would be shipped

i think it would be hayes
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 1:33 pm to
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If we can move either of them for value then it is worth it.
I think JJ is going to stick around to help SVG out with the kids, since they are close.

I wouldn't be overly surprised if Hill is moved, but I also don't think it's a bad thing to go from zero primary facilitators to 2 of them.

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I have no clue if our FO wants to pay Lonzo or what they'd want to pay Lonzo but he's not untouchable by the least bit and he's the best chance of getting that top 10 pick everyone wants.
I would say a large portion of this has to do with how conversations have gone in regards to an extension. I think the Pels do want to see what they have in him, in an off guard role, which he will be able to show this year playing next to Bledsoe. He can still be traded next offseason, via sign and trade, if that is the route that the Pels want to go. My best guess is that they at least go into the season with Lonzo and possibly make a move at the trade deadline if the fit isn't there.
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 11/17/20 at 1:40 pm to
But with the addition of Bledsoe and Hill we don't necessarily need JJ. I honestly have nothing against him and think he's a great player but I just don't see the point of holding on to him. I'd rather test the waters with Lonzo and Hart at SG and see how they do over watching JJ launch 10 3's a game knowing it doesn't matter and he's gone regardless. I'd also rather take some of his money and get a guy like Crowder and even try some packages with BI at SG. I've said it before but we should really see if we can trade JJ for Norman Powell on Toronto.
This post was edited on 11/17/20 at 1:42 pm
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