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re: JJ Redick Podcast On The Trade To Dallas
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:07 pm to Bronc
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:07 pm to Bronc
Listened to it, and my thoughts:
1) JJ said Griff and Trajan said they would TRY to get him closer to his family, and they reiterated that in subsequent meetings. The key work in this is TRY, as the only promise being made is they will work on it, which from Griff's mouth, they did. It didn't work out.
2) JJ said after the trade aggregate passed and he wasn't traded, he was expecting he would be bought out. This tells me 2 things. First, a buyout was discussed, but not agreed on. Second, he made more assumptions.
3) JJ said he came to New Orleans because they gave him the most money (then tried to hide behind Jrue and Kenrich). He then says he feels he lived up to his "end of the deal", but he in fact didn't as the deal was 2 years you play here.
4) Piggybacking on the contract amount, it seems to me he was expecting to get bought out without giving up any money. If he truly wanted out at the beginning of the season, I'm sure if he went to Griff and said " Hey look, I really want to be near my family, and I'm willing to give up 10 million of my salary to help yall out if you help me", Griff would have gladly given him a buyout. With the team pressed against the tax, they have to do what's best for the team though.
I would place any amount of money on Redick not being willing to give up any of salary, which basically kills any buyout.
1) JJ said Griff and Trajan said they would TRY to get him closer to his family, and they reiterated that in subsequent meetings. The key work in this is TRY, as the only promise being made is they will work on it, which from Griff's mouth, they did. It didn't work out.
2) JJ said after the trade aggregate passed and he wasn't traded, he was expecting he would be bought out. This tells me 2 things. First, a buyout was discussed, but not agreed on. Second, he made more assumptions.
3) JJ said he came to New Orleans because they gave him the most money (then tried to hide behind Jrue and Kenrich). He then says he feels he lived up to his "end of the deal", but he in fact didn't as the deal was 2 years you play here.
4) Piggybacking on the contract amount, it seems to me he was expecting to get bought out without giving up any money. If he truly wanted out at the beginning of the season, I'm sure if he went to Griff and said " Hey look, I really want to be near my family, and I'm willing to give up 10 million of my salary to help yall out if you help me", Griff would have gladly given him a buyout. With the team pressed against the tax, they have to do what's best for the team though.
I would place any amount of money on Redick not being willing to give up any of salary, which basically kills any buyout.
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:09 pm to Soggymoss
we paid him above market value to come play here. we do not owe JJ a damn thing besides the salary we agreed to pay him
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:09 pm to Bronc
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The NBA is not some faerie land where human sociology/psychology and employee/employer labor dynamics no longer exist or apply.
They exist but they’re drastically different than normal dynamics and you know it.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:13 pm to whatiknowsofar
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but it's completely different vs a normal business structure. Can an employee get a boss fired because he simply doesn't like his direction, because that shite happens in the NBA and not in the business world.
Labor has more power in the NBA than most industries, that doesn’t mean that human psychology and sociology and the fundamental dynamics in labor relationships no longer apply. And yes, there are still union industries where managers can be pushed out by the employees. That’s not fundamentally breaking any labor dynamics.
And given the power of these employees in this industry, it’s always a good thing to not gain a reputation as dishonorable.
If your industry’s employees have enormous power and capacity, probably not a good idea to build a reputation as a snake oil salesman. Just a thought
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Location matters far more than in the business world when it comes to attracting talent.
Perhaps, but location matters a big deal
in the business world too. This isn’t fundamentally changing any dynamic here.
And this point about the high level of desirability of location in the NBA also would again ironically back up and emphasize my point about why things like trust when you aren’t one of the more desirable locations is kind of important.
I know you are trying to disagree with me but you are backing up my points.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:22 pm to Bronc
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Perhaps, but location matters a big deal
in the business world too. This isn’t fundamentally changing any dynamic here.
And this point about the high level of desirability of location in the NBA also would again ironically back up and emphasize my point about why things like trust when you aren’t one of the more desirable locations is kind of important.
I know you are trying to disagree with me but you are backing up my points.
Blake Griffin signed a 5 year deal with the Clippers, and then was promptly traded to Detroit. That didn't stop Kawhi and George from wanting to go play there. Because they cared more about playing with their friends, and winning than they did about "trust" in the front office. Players that are of that level can push out coaches or front office, if they really want it. So it's not nearly as big of a "deal" as you're making it out to be. If Zion is a top 5 player in the NBA, and the Pels are a winning organization, players will most likely want to come here, regardless of how JJ fricking Redick was treated on his way out
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:24 pm to Soggymoss
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1) JJ said Griff and Trajan said they would TRY to get him closer to his family, and they reiterated that in subsequent meetings. The key work in this is TRY, as the only promise being made is they will work on it, which from Griff's mouth, they did. It didn't work out.
The very first thing he says about Griff is that Griff told him on first approaching him in the offseason about his situation was: “listen come down for a month and I give you my word that if it doesn’t work out I will get you to a situation you like”
He goes on to say they had four meetings and he was in direct communication with Griff and it was made understood to him that’s if he could not be traded to the northeast they would buy him out
“try” was never even uttered at all.
So that’s not an accurate framing of what Redick said.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:27 pm to Bronc
I'm going to point out that JJ and Josh Hart have he same agent.
And JJ Specifically said this on his podcast:
So...yeah. I think this may have serious implications for Hart.
And JJ Specifically said this on his podcast:
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"I don't expect the agents who worked with me to ever trust that front office again"
So...yeah. I think this may have serious implications for Hart.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:29 pm to Fun Bunch
Highly doubt that. He's not turning down his first big contract.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:30 pm to Epic Cajun
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Blake Griffin signed a 5 year deal with the Clippers, and then was promptly traded to Detroit. That didn't stop Kawhi and George from wanting to go play there.
LA
New Orleans
I’m guessing you are smart enough to tell me what is inherent about the two cities geographically that makes them different and more desirable than the other location from a player’s perspective?
And the reason it is reported that George and Kawhi also liked the Clippers was because of that magic word: they “trusted” what the Clippers were doing and believed it was the better organization to build a new contender with.
You all want to pretend that trust isn’t a factor in this world but that’s insane.
No one is saying we won’t get another free agent or other factors can’t offset things, but there is no upside to this type of managerial behavior
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:31 pm to Fun Bunch
JJ lived on Hart's sofa... you don't think they already discussed this?
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:31 pm to Fun Bunch
Time for Griff to kiss and make up, then. We can argue about what the right thing is to do on a message board, but swallowing his pride to help retain an important piece of the team is what a good leader would do here
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:32 pm to Fun Bunch
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I'm going to point out that JJ and Josh Hart have he same agent.
And JJ Specifically said this on his podcast:
quote:
"I don't expect the agents who worked with me to ever trust that front office again"
So...yeah. I think this may have serious implications for Hart.
Great catch, I didn’t know that.
Hope James Johnson was worth it for Griff.
I’m guessing though the boot lickers will simply transition to trashing Hart preemptively....or continue to believe these sorts of actions don’t have consequences in a league where players have a ton of leverage.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:34 pm to Bronc
Zion’s agent too
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:34 pm to Bronc
You can disagree about the severity of this controversy without being a boot licker. Good frick, man.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:35 pm to jmcwhrter
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JJ lived on Hart's sofa... you don't think they already discussed this?
I’m sure, and Hart has repeatedly made public statements both criticizing this trade and supporting getting Redick where he wants.
Now you’ve done his good friend dirty that shares the same agent and people in here wanting to pretend these things don’t have consequences in a league where players hold enormous power.
As someone already said, Griff needs to go hat in hand to Hart if he has aspirations of keeping him here.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:36 pm to Bronc
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I know you are trying to disagree with me but you are backing up my points.
No I'm disagreeing by saying you're comparing apples to oranges and you're just trying to make a smoothie out of it.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:37 pm to DallasTiger45
And he thinks he's not overreacting too, which makes it even funnier.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:39 pm to Bronc
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LA
New Orleans
I’m guessing you are smart enough to tell me what is inherent about the two cities geographically that makes them different and more desirable than the other location from a player’s perspective?
No frick. I said one of the 3 factors in players choosing a place to play was location. The other two are playing with their friends, or playing for a successful organization.
They "trusted" the organization in LA, even though LA had just "betrayed" Griffin's trust. Kawhi also didn't want to be second fiddle to LeBron who was at the other team in LA.
Sure, trust is a factor. But I think people are intelligent enough to see what played out in regards to JJ's situation. It's not some horrendous thing that he has to play 2-3 more months away from his family. You are blowing that way out of proportion. It's a he said/she said thing that we'll never know the truth about because we weren't in the room. JJ says he was promised to get to the NE or a buyout, Griff said that he said he would try to get him to the NE. No info was shared about the buyout.
You're being a drama queen.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:39 pm to whatiknowsofar
This organization has gone above and beyond to get players where they want. Look at AD
Also look at us letting Jrue sit out half a year for his wife and child.
If not getting an aging vet where they wanted to go because the numbers didn’t work out fricks us over, then I don’t wanna care anymore.
Also look at us letting Jrue sit out half a year for his wife and child.
If not getting an aging vet where they wanted to go because the numbers didn’t work out fricks us over, then I don’t wanna care anymore.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:39 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Zion’s agent too
Not true.
Both are CAA but CAA has countless agents and clients.
They have different agents/teams.
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