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re: JJ Redick Podcast On The Trade To Dallas
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:51 pm to Epic Cajun
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:51 pm to Epic Cajun
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This is BS, top tier talent is going to go to organizations that their friends are at, teams that pay more, or teams that are successful.
Successful organizations require trust.
I’m guessing you’ve never managed people before?
All the things you just mentioned besides pay are things that tend to be best fostered and sustained in environments of trust.
There is no upside to pissing off your employees and tarnishing your reputation.
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:51 pm to Epic Cajun
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This is BS, top tier talent is going to go to organizations that their friends are at, teams that pay more, or teams that are successful.
100% agree. You think a guy 4-5 years from now is going to give a shite about this one event when he could possibly join the best player in the league with Zion (given he progresses) and possibly push the Pels over the top as contenders (if they continue to build and develop their guys) ??
That player is going to care about Zion and how much money the Pels are offering him. Why else would people work plant jobs they hate?
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:52 pm to Bronc
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Griff also says they(NE teams) weren’t the “most aggressive in landing him” which is vague but implies they did show interest/make offers. So there was space to make good on the promise.
Yeah, disagree here. This is Griff speak for: "They offered nothing whatsoever".
I told yall that I had heard that JJ was super super pissed. Not surprising at all or shouldn't be to this board.
I do think this affects Josh Hart since he and JJ are so tight, and whether Hart wants to stick around here.
Otherwise I think people will forget about it by tomorrow
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:53 pm to Bronc
Money and opportunity talks. This isn’t a job where guys are making 35-60k a year. You’re making every NBA player out to be some Saint when most of them have proven time and again they value money and winning above everything else.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:53 pm to Bronc
How do these buyouts work? The players have to give the org money to cease the contract? I can’t imagine the team is paying the player to essentially quit and sign elsewhere.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:53 pm to Epic Cajun
Sounds like we fricked up imo.
Just be straight up. Hey, we thought we could get you to the NE but they're not interested.
Dallas is interested and is giving us assets so we're going to do that instead of a buyout. Sorry but we have to do what's right for the team. We tried but it didn't work out.
Just be straight up. Hey, we thought we could get you to the NE but they're not interested.
Dallas is interested and is giving us assets so we're going to do that instead of a buyout. Sorry but we have to do what's right for the team. We tried but it didn't work out.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:54 pm to bugafor6
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How do these buyouts work? The players have to give the org money to cease the contract? I can’t imagine the team is paying the player to essentially quit and sign elsewhere.
Depends. Sometimes players take a discount to get out.
Sometimes teams pay them everything just to get rid of them.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:54 pm to Epic Cajun
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You can't compare "normal" jobs to jobs in the NBA.
Employer/employee dynamics and human psychology don’t just disappear because it’s the NBA.
Organizations with poorer reputations struggle to attract and maintain talent compared to ones that do.
Breaking promises to employees in the NBA is going to have the same psychological affect on employees and perceptions as the rest of the business world.
This ain’t some magical fairy land where the dynamics of human behavior no longer apply.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:57 pm to htran90
quote:I'd submit that everyone deserves the level of respect to be honest with.
JJ was with us for 1.5 years. He doesn't demand that level of respect.
Now if we promised jrue or something, I would agree
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:57 pm to Fun Bunch
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I do think this affects Josh Hart since he and JJ are so tight, and whether Hart wants to stick around here.
Josh Hart called Griff the day of the AD trade and said "dont trade me. I want to do this thing. Give me a chance" and we have literally given him as much of a chance as anyone in the NBA could have and made him the heartbeat of this team.
If he would frick our franchise because we didnt eat cash and piss assets to help out JJ Redick chill in Tribeca and win a pity-ring then he would have done it for some reason or another. This would just be his excuse.
Every person that ever gets caught cheating on their spouse says something like "you never paid attention to me" "you worked too much" or "you didnt have enough drive". It would always be something.
I would really hope that Hart both understands simple business, and would put the way someone treats him over the way someone supposedly treats someone else.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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a reminder to this board why it's important to honor player's reasonable requests
Dude lost his battle with Father Time over the summer, and tanked his value. If he really wanted out at the beginning of the year, I’m sure Griff woukd have let him out of his contract if he agreed to a large buyout. I’m sure he didn’t want to give up the money.
Sounds like sour grapes because he wanted the best of both worlds and didnt get it. Boo freaking hoo
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:58 pm to ghost2most
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Just be straight up. Hey, we thought we could get you to the NE but they're not interested.
Dallas is interested and is giving us assets so we're going to do that instead of a buyout. Sorry but we have to do what's right for the team. We tried but it didn't work out.
It’d still be problematic because of the perceived initial hard promises, but at least you are clearing the air and being forthright.
Griff’s response honestly comes off like carefully parsed spin that when you peel back seems to make clear he did make assurances and that when the rubber met the road didn’t have any follow up or communication on the change of direction and why.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:59 pm to Bronc
quote:Here you go again acting like the NBA is similar to a normal job. It's not.
I’m guessing you’ve never managed people before?
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:01 pm to shel311
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I'd submit that everyone deserves the level of respect to be honest with.
I think everyone deserves honesty, but I'm sure griff/trag tried to get him there. Issue is they couldn't.
What we don't know is how much was the buy out discussion? If he wasn't gonna take much of a pay cut, than maybe financially Benson didn't sign off on it.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:01 pm to Epic Cajun
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Here you go again acting like the NBA is similar to a normal job. It's not.
I’ll reiterate a second time.
The NBA is not some faerie land where human sociology/psychology and employee/employer labor dynamics no longer exist or apply.
Just stating that dumb shite over and over doesn’t make it true
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:04 pm to Fun Bunch
Must be nice to quit your job and have your former employer write a multi million $ check on your way out. No wonder these guys are so entitled.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:04 pm to Bronc
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Just stating that dumb shite over and over doesn’t make it true
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I’ll reiterate a second time.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:04 pm to Bronc
It'll be ok snowflake
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:05 pm to Bronc
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Employer/employee dynamics and human psychology don’t just disappear because it’s the NBA.
No, but it's completely different vs a normal business structure. Can an employee get a boss fired because he simply doesn't like his direction, because that shite happens in the NBA and not in the business world.
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Organizations with poorer reputations struggle to attract and maintain talent compared to ones that do.
Again, completely different in the NBA. Location matters far more than in the business world when it comes to attracting talent. The lakers were a fricking joke 3 years ago but they're in L.A.
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Breaking promises to employees in the NBA is going to have the same psychological affect on employees and perceptions as the rest of the business world.
This ain’t some magical fairy land where the dynamics of human behavior no longer apply.
And its all a matter of opinion too. I wouldn't be shocked either way if jj is telling the truth or if griffin is. But part of the reason why JJ is in this mess in the first place is due to him and his play. The Pels would easily be in the 8-10 seed spot if he still had any gas in the tank, when he's clearly done.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:06 pm to Bronc
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I’m guessing you’ve never managed people before?
Please enlighten us on your experience managing the ins and outs of a Taco Bell franchise!
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