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re: Jayson Tatum vs Brandon Ingram tOfficial Debate
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:18 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:18 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
Grizz pick is better than Ingram, Kuzma or Ball...I would only put #4 this year above it
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Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:23 pm to Bronc
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Ingram's a ball stopper and his assist to turnover ratio is atrocious.
His assist to TO ratio is better than Tatum’s
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:25 pm to 1ranter1
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:25 pm to 1ranter1
Meant overall turnover percentage.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:31 pm to Lester Earl
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The 2 most rudimentary traits that championship level wing players have are:
A) efficient ball scoring. Ie FG%’s hovering around 50%
B) ability to draw fouls. Ie 5-6+ FTA a game
LOL. All those players you named brought more to the table than shooting around the rim and getting to the line at a slightly above average rate(defense, rebounding, passing, elite jump shooting, to name a few). Most could also at least knock down their FT's consistently.
65% FT shooting and the space he occupies/is efficient from is where our two best players best operate.
Wiggins got to the line 7 times a game his sophomore season, scored 20 a game on 46%. By your standards, he's basically Kobe. lol
You're arguments are trash
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:33 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
Why are people looking at stats without any consideration towards circumstances.
Ingram scored more, great. He was a first option on the team this year with LeBron out for huge stretches. Must be nice seeing as Tatum was 2nd and 3rd option.
Stats for Tatum reasonably should be lower seeing as he's on a more talented team that spreads the ball around. That is why this 18 ppg garbage or 3 30 point games are meaningless.
One played on a playoff contender while the other played on a team that became a joke without Bron. Ironically Ingram looked great and put up solid numbers when LeBron was off the couret or out injured, but his numbers dropped when he wasn't the main option. Gee, that must be shocking.
Some of you really have no sense.
Also, Tatum's defensive WS average for 2 years? 3.7
Ingram's the last two years without his atrocious rookie year? 1.6
You are getting a much better all around player in Tatum that has put up good to very good numbers with talent on the court unlike Ingram who has only really done it when there is minimal talent and he has complete control.
Ingram scored more, great. He was a first option on the team this year with LeBron out for huge stretches. Must be nice seeing as Tatum was 2nd and 3rd option.
Stats for Tatum reasonably should be lower seeing as he's on a more talented team that spreads the ball around. That is why this 18 ppg garbage or 3 30 point games are meaningless.
One played on a playoff contender while the other played on a team that became a joke without Bron. Ironically Ingram looked great and put up solid numbers when LeBron was off the couret or out injured, but his numbers dropped when he wasn't the main option. Gee, that must be shocking.
Some of you really have no sense.
Also, Tatum's defensive WS average for 2 years? 3.7
Ingram's the last two years without his atrocious rookie year? 1.6
You are getting a much better all around player in Tatum that has put up good to very good numbers with talent on the court unlike Ingram who has only really done it when there is minimal talent and he has complete control.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:42 pm to Bronc
Ingram can’t shoot 3’s or FTs but has a higher TS% than Tatum but my argument is trash. Interesting take. Elite board membership :Revoked
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:44 pm to Geauxgurt
Tatum is my personal target. I just wouldn’t lose my mind if Ingram, 4, Kuz, Ball, Hart, 2 future firsts was the haul.
I’d lose my motherfricking mind if we traded AD to the Nets for their poopoo platter of “assets”. I could at least talk myself into the Lakers deal, especially if Lonzo and Kuz are flipped for picks.
I’d lose my motherfricking mind if we traded AD to the Nets for their poopoo platter of “assets”. I could at least talk myself into the Lakers deal, especially if Lonzo and Kuz are flipped for picks.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:44 pm to Geauxgurt
How the Celtics offense was ran, he wasn’t even the second option unless he forced it upon the team and got more greedy.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:45 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
If we want the Boston trade we have to wait until July 1 correct?
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:50 pm to Geauxgurt
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Ironically Ingram looked great and put up solid numbers when LeBron was off the couret or out injured, but his numbers dropped when he wasn't the main option
Why do you guys keep making shite up? Lebron was on the court for most of Ingram’s coming out party. Of his 7 25+ point games, Lebron played in 5.
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Ingram scored more, great. He was a first option on the team this year with LeBron out for huge stretches. Must be nice seeing as Tatum was 2nd and 3rd option.
So you penalize Ingram for stepping up as the #1 option, but Tatum playing worse when Kylie was out is good?
Like I said earlier I still prefer Tatum, but holy shite some of you guys are biased as frick. Same guys knocking Ingram’s 3pt shooting are excited about bringing in Smart for $13mil a year. It doesn’t make any sense.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:50 pm to Lester Earl
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Ingram can’t shoot 3’s or FTs but has a higher TS% than Tatum but my argument is trash. Interesting take. Elite board membership :Revoked
Career TS%:
Ingram:.523
Tatum:.565
For their brief respective careers, even on that metric you hold so dear, Tatum is ahead.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:50 pm to ssgtiger
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If we want the Boston trade we have to wait until July 1 correct?
A trade could be agreed to in principle, but executed after the new year starts.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:54 pm to 1ranter1
quote:not a big fan of Smart but he did shoot 36% from 3 while taking a little over 4 attempts per game. Much better than Ingram
me guys knocking Ingram’s 3pt shooting are excited about bringing in Smart for $13mil a year. It doesn’t make any sense.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 3:59 pm to 1ranter1
Marcus Smart hit 36% from three on nearly 350 attempts this season, 4.3 a game.
I wouldn't call him a guy you put trust in from deep, but he is more of a consistent threat these days than Ingram is.
Context matters. Ingram, so far, has not really improved any of the weaknesses in his game. Which puts him so far more on the track of a Wiggins level player.
I wouldn't call him a guy you put trust in from deep, but he is more of a consistent threat these days than Ingram is.
Context matters. Ingram, so far, has not really improved any of the weaknesses in his game. Which puts him so far more on the track of a Wiggins level player.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 4:02 pm to Bronc
31% for his career. Ingram is at 33%. Both not good
Ingram did shoot 39% two years ago so maybe there’s some hope. Tatum has shown signs of being an elite 3pt shooter which is really the main reason I give him the edge over Ingram
Ingram did shoot 39% two years ago so maybe there’s some hope. Tatum has shown signs of being an elite 3pt shooter which is really the main reason I give him the edge over Ingram
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 6/4/19 at 4:06 pm to 1ranter1
He shot 39% but still averaged 1.8 3pt attempts that year. Either way he’s still obviously uncomfortable and lacks confidence taking 3 pointers
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 6/4/19 at 4:43 pm to 1ranter1
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Ingram did shoot 39% two years ago so maybe there’s some hope. Tatum has shown signs of being an elite 3pt shooter which is really the main reason I give him the edge over Ingram
If Ingram had shown more growth in his ft shooting, he'd be more coveted.
At this point, he is Wiggins who plays defense. Not sure if it pairs well with zion though
Posted on 6/4/19 at 4:54 pm to Macintosh504
Ingram was a 40% 3pt shooter in college , has a season of 38% in the nba, and long stretches of good shooting last year (36% over last 25g). Does it really need to slap people in the face that he will be an above average shooter?
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 6/4/19 at 4:57 pm to Lester Earl
I wouldn’t bring up college stats.
If those were any indication, Lonzo would be hitting about 70% of his FTs instead of 43%.
If those were any indication, Lonzo would be hitting about 70% of his FTs instead of 43%.
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