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re: Ja is about to get the hammer dropped on him
Posted on 6/2/23 at 3:19 pm to Mad Scientist26
Posted on 6/2/23 at 3:19 pm to Mad Scientist26
quote:WTF?! No there isn't.
But an argument can be made that he shouldn’t be suspended for it.
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Posted on 6/2/23 at 3:21 pm to Mad Scientist26
quote:What fantasy work do you live in? An employer would have every right to fire you if you did that on social media.
That’s impossible because you did not break any laws. They don’t know if that’s your legally owned gun (I assume your or age to carry) and it’s freedom of speech to sing a song. I don’t know where you work but it’s against the law to fire you for that.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 3:21 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:Given his history, he should receive an indefinite suspension requiring him to submit to be reinstated after a minimum of one year.
Threatening to shoot random people on Twitter is bad. It's kinda frowned upon by Silver. Threatening the teenager at the pickup game. Threatening the security guard in the parking lot at the mall. Threatening Pacers staff and family.
So, can we please stop talking about this simply in the context of guns? It's not about the gun. It's about using the gun to amplify threats and presenting oneself as a person who is happy to use a gun to murder others.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 3:28 pm to Mad Scientist26
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How do you know if it’s illegal? What difference does it make? They both are all still posting it to the public.
One is usually smiling wearing fricking matching pajamas, the other is drunk singing about murder.
If you can't see the difference, I don't know what to tell you.
And for the record, they both suck.
This post was edited on 6/2/23 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 6/2/23 at 3:35 pm to Soggymoss
League will suspend him for a year. NBAPA will throw a fit and challenge. They'll settle on something like 25 games.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 3:37 pm to Giantkiller
He's not getting suspended for the entire year. Silver worked alongside the players association during the investigation and whatever the decision is, the player association would have been been informed and agreed to the punishment.
This post was edited on 6/2/23 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 6/2/23 at 3:42 pm to ghost2most
Is a little ticking timer illegal? No. But if someone posts on social media about blowing up their place of employment and then intentionally leaves a ticking package at work, that little ticking timer is going to be a problem.
Is talcum powder illegal? No. But if I were to threaten someone with ricin poisoning, and then I mail them an envelope with white talcum powder in it, that talcum powder would be a problem.
The gun itself is not really the problem. The problem is threatening to shoot people and then flashing a gun.
Is talcum powder illegal? No. But if I were to threaten someone with ricin poisoning, and then I mail them an envelope with white talcum powder in it, that talcum powder would be a problem.
The gun itself is not really the problem. The problem is threatening to shoot people and then flashing a gun.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 3:51 pm to NOSHAU
I live in America. You can’t fire someone for holding a gun while saying a rap song. That’s crazy!! That gun can be legally owned and it’s freedom of speech. The same reason you can’t get fired for singing a country song about killing someone or hitting someone while holding a rifle.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 3:55 pm to ghost2most
Your basing your entire argument off assumptions!!
They could be drunk smiling and wearing pajamas for all we know. Also, you can’t prove they are drunk.
I’m not saying the dudes an idiot and hasn’t done stupid things in the past. I’m just saying what he did in that video was illegal. He wasn’t drunk driving or taking illegal drugs. He was just being a dumb kid singing a rap song with a firearm that he’s of age to legally carry.
They could be drunk smiling and wearing pajamas for all we know. Also, you can’t prove they are drunk.
I’m not saying the dudes an idiot and hasn’t done stupid things in the past. I’m just saying what he did in that video was illegal. He wasn’t drunk driving or taking illegal drugs. He was just being a dumb kid singing a rap song with a firearm that he’s of age to legally carry.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 3:59 pm to Mad Scientist26
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I live in America. You can’t fire someone for holding a gun while saying a rap song. That’s crazy!! That gun can be legally owned and it’s freedom of speech. The same reason you can’t get fired for singing a country song about killing someone or hitting someone while holding a rifle.
LOL yes you can. You can get fired for any reason your employer wants to fire you.
Being a dumb thug isn't a protected class.
It's not illegal for me to go on social media and rant about [insert race/sex] but if my employer sees it and thinks it's bad for business, then they can fire me. Free speech does not equal you can't get fired.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 4:11 pm to Mad Scientist26
quote:You can get fired for a million things that aren't remotely as bad. You're factually wrong.
live in America. You can’t fire someone for holding a gun while saying a rap song
quote:Was he arrested? If no, freedom of speech is not relevant to this discussion.
That gun can be legally owned and it’s freedom of speech
quote:Again, factually incorrect. You can be fired for these things.
The same reason you can’t get fired for singing a country song about killing someone or hitting someone while holding a rifle.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 4:13 pm to Mad Scientist26
quote:When did we invent this notion that people only get fired in America for things that are illegal?
I’m just saying what he did in that video was illegal. He wasn’t drunk driving or taking illegal drugs. He was just being a dumb kid singing a rap song with a firearm that he’s of age to legally carry.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 4:23 pm to supe12sta12z
quote:I thought I read that as well. The fact that the PA is in agreement tells me that Soft Silver is giving out another slap on the wrist.
He's not getting suspended for the entire year. Silver worked alongside the players association during the investigation and whatever the decision is, the player association would have been been informed and agreed to the punishment.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 4:24 pm to Mad Scientist26
quote:Give it a try and send it to your employer. If you are known well enough to others to be associated with that employer, you will be fired pretty quickly.
I live in America. You can’t fire someone for holding a gun while saying a rap song. That’s crazy!! That gun can be legally owned and it’s freedom of speech. The same reason you can’t get fired for singing a country song about killing someone or hitting someone while holding a rifle.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 4:53 pm to Soggymoss
Temeteius Morant—DONE, son!
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:02 pm to Mad Scientist26
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You can’t fire someone for holding a gun while saying a rap song. That’s crazy!! That gun can be legally owned and it’s freedom of speech. The same reason you can’t get fired for singing a country song about killing someone or hitting someone while holding a rifle.
You can very easily be fired for all of that lol
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:39 pm to Mad Scientist26
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I live in America. You can’t fire someone for holding a gun while saying a rap song. That’s crazy!!
You are usually a better poster than this. As an employer, let me drop a little knowledge on ya:
In Louisiana, as in most states, employment is "at will." That means that, if you work for me, I can fire you for any reason whatsoever. I can fire you because I got sick of looking at your ugly face. I can fire you because you microwaved fish in the break room and stunk up the office. I can fire you because [fill in the blank].
The only things I can't fire you for are illegal discrimination. I can't fire you because I got a new racist client who doesn't like people of your race. I can't fire my secretary because she's getting old. I can't fire you for coming out as gay. And I can't fire you because you got into a car accident and now have a disability that I could accommodate.
Other than illegal discrimination, though, I live in a free country and have the right to fire you for any damn reason I please. God bless America!
Unless, of course, I previously agreed NOT to fire you for certain things. This usually happens with an employment contract, sometimes negotiated by a union.
Which is the case here. The union representing the players has negotiated a collective bargaining agreement with the league that (for example) protects players from being immediately fired if they get injured, as an injured player is required to be paid for the duration of his contract.
But, in terms of misconduct, the league's CBA gives the commissioner broad discretion to suspend players for actions which damage the NBA and its brand.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 7:20 pm to GOP_Tiger
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In Louisiana, as in most states, employment is "at will." That means that, if you work for me, I can fire you for any reason whatsoever. I can fire you because I got sick of looking at your ugly face. I can fire you because you microwaved fish in the break room and stunk up the office. I can fire you because [fill in the blank]. The only things I can't fire you for are illegal discrimination. I can't fire you because I got a new racist client who doesn't like people of your race. I can't fire my secretary because she's getting old. I can't fire you for coming out as gay. And I can't fire you because you got into a car accident and now have a disability that I could accommodate. Other than illegal discrimination, though, I live in a free country and have the right to fire you for any damn reason I please. God bless America! Unless, of course, I previously agreed NOT to fire you for certain things. This usually happens with an employment contract, sometimes negotiated by a union. Which is the case here. The union representing the players has negotiated a collective bargaining agreement with the league that (for example) protects players from being immediately fired if they get injured, as an injured player is required to be paid for the duration of his contract. But, in terms of misconduct, the league's CBA gives the commissioner broad discretion to suspend players for actions which damage the NBA and its brand.
Great post! I’m not saying Ja is right here. He’s a punk kid that’s doing alot of stupid stuff but it’s hard to suspend him for doing something stupid legally. However, you’re right about Silver suspending Ja for “conduct detriment to the league.” That’s a great point I forgot that he should throw the book at him for.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 8:53 pm to Mad Scientist26
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I live in America. You can’t fire someone for holding a gun while saying a rap song. That’s crazy!! That gun can be legally owned and it’s freedom of speech. The same reason you can’t get fired for singing a country song about killing someone or hitting someone while holding a rifle.
I don't think I could be more wrong about a topic if I tried.
Posted on 6/3/23 at 1:05 pm to Mad Scientist26
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I live in America. You can’t fire someone for holding a gun while saying a rap song. That’s crazy!! That gun can be legally owned and it’s freedom of speech. The same reason you can’t get fired for singing a country song about killing someone or hitting someone while holding a rifle.
Never heard of at will employment I take it which is nearly every job. Freedom of speech only protects you from criminal prosecution. Your argument is completely invalid
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