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re: Is Zion miscast?

Posted on 7/18/24 at 3:17 pm to
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 7/18/24 at 3:17 pm to
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watch about 90% of pels games and dont really recall any of his post moves other than baseline spin.


He spins to the restricted circle side often, does a great job of reacting to a defenders first move, and the few times someone does get on his hip he'll just back you down for an easy two.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 7/18/24 at 3:21 pm to
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I understand the caution building around him because of his injuries but I don’t think theres much worry about building around his skillset.

This x100
Posted by supe12sta12z
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Posted on 7/18/24 at 3:53 pm to
People don't remember his low post game because the opportunities aren't there anymore with the wall. If you go back to his rookie year and even during the SVG season, you see the team utilize him a lot more on the low post.

He can spin to both the weak side and strong side as well as both baselines.

He has an effective drop step.

Has has several pivots and jabs and can transition from back to the basket to face up off the dribble. He can back you up then seamlessly transition into face up and blow by you.

He has a variety of shots off the turn around if he gets you within 5 foot of the basket.

He's a good passer out of the post both inside and out to the perimeter.

He can seal you on the low post and gain favorable position for an entry pass for a quick spin and blow by dunk and that was a stable in 2019 and 2020 with Ball.

He's also very skilled at establishing position and slipping the low post defender for an alley opp or to get under the basket.

He's not a traditional back to the basket technician but he is very skilled down there. I'm hoping we see a lot of these missing offense that's been gone since we moved on from ball. I forgot all the all the actions Gentry used to run for him off ball in 2019 that was pretty nasty. He did way more screening then than he does now. Hope Murray unlocks Zion's lethal offball game again.


Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 7/18/24 at 4:44 pm to
He's somewhere around year 6 blake griffin.

Elite near the rim. bad elsewhere. can handle the ball in spurts.
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Posted on 7/18/24 at 5:33 pm to
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He's somewhere around year 6 blake griffin.

Elite near the rim. bad elsewhere. can handle the ball in spurts.


Jfc no. He's a far better passer/shot creator and scorer than he ever was.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
33912 posts
Posted on 7/18/24 at 7:52 pm to
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Can you go into more detail about why you think this? Zion is pretty lethal if he has the ball off a board or gets 5ft from the rim.


But he doesn't use his strength on defense or to rebound.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 7/19/24 at 12:19 am to
If Zion can consistently make that 10 foot shot TSpoon tried getting him to use so much more than he has then he would be as unstoppable as any player in the NBA. He can have any defender on their geeks and then pull up and knock down the short jumper.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 7/19/24 at 5:25 am to
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But he doesn't use his strength on defense or to rebound.


Not true at the end of last season.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
10117 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 8:49 am to
I don’t get why people only think of Zion as a power player when he may have the best touch in the league around the rim. Zion rarely dunks. He uses his burst and strength to get near the basket and then uses his freakish touch to lay the ball in from 100 different positions.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
36480 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 9:34 am to
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I don’t get why people only think of Zion as a power player when he may have the best touch in the league around the rim. Zion rarely dunks. He uses his burst and strength to get near the basket and then uses his freakish touch to lay the ball in from 100 different positions.

He's definitely one of the best finishers in the league.
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
8153 posts
Posted on 7/19/24 at 1:25 pm to
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he doesn't mix it up on the inside


Bruh, what are you talking about? He scores 70% of his buckets within 2 feet.

If you mean back to the basket, I don’t think anyone thought Zion would be doing a ton of that. I certainly didn’t. I expected him to be doing exactly what he does tbh
Posted by lil 7thward
ATL
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 7/20/24 at 12:51 pm to
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In the interview, he basically said that he views Zion basically as a dunker. I've always thought along the same lines


I think you need to rewatch the games, or go look up the stats and post them here.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
33912 posts
Posted on 7/20/24 at 1:48 pm to
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But he doesn't use his strength on defense or to rebound.


Not true at the end of last season.


Right. Only took him 5 years

I'm just praying we get a locked in zion for all 82+.

Need him to be a force on the boards, especially this year.

If this dude would just go all out and train correctly, he would be unstoppable. Man I hope we get that zion before it's to late.

Dude could average 30/8/8
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
31948 posts
Posted on 7/20/24 at 3:24 pm to
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Dude could average 30/8/8



February-April version of him was good enough.

33 MPG
55.0 FG%

23.9 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 5.5 APG, 2.9 TOV, 2.3 STOCKS

It takes too much effort for him to get to 8 assists. you're talking another 5-10 possessions where he's the lead facilitator over Murray. Defeats that purpose IMHO.

If Ingram is on this team, him being a 25/8/5 guy is all you honestly want. Less ball handling, more efficient setups, and more rebounding. Ingram becomes closer to his role when lonzo was here at 23/6/5. CJ continues to regress into a lesser role at 18/4/4. Murphy gets more time and shots up to a 17/6/2 guy, and Murray becomes somewhere between Peak SAS and ATL-without Trae at 20/6/8.

Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11225 posts
Posted on 7/21/24 at 7:01 pm to
I want Zion to average double digit rebounds, like 12-13 a game. He has the ability and it's what we need. He should be dominant. Instead, he has rebound numbers like a big guard. That isn't weird to anyone else?
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Member since Nov 2010
25965 posts
Posted on 7/21/24 at 7:36 pm to
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want Zion to average double digit rebounds, like 12-13 a game. He has the ability and it's what we need. He should be dominant. Instead, he has rebound numbers like a big guard. That isn't weird to anyone else?


You want 6'7" zion to rebound like he's 3-5 inches taller? Because the only guys in the league last year that did that were 6'10" plus
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11225 posts
Posted on 7/21/24 at 7:39 pm to
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You want 6'7" zion to rebound like he's 3-5 inches taller? Because the only guys in the league last year that did that were 6'10" plus


That's a cope out. Westbrook averaged 10rpg a few seasons ago. It's all about effort and focus..
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Member since Nov 2010
25965 posts
Posted on 7/21/24 at 7:44 pm to
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Westbrook averaged 10rpg a few seasons ago.


On a shite team that legit had him on the box grabbing every rebound after a ft miss. I don't need zion doing that. Spend your energy on amazing switch perimeter defense and offense. Rebounding is 3rd
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11225 posts
Posted on 7/21/24 at 8:13 pm to
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On a shite team that legit had him on the box grabbing every rebound after a ft miss. I don't need zion doing that. Spend your energy on amazing switch perimeter defense and offense. Rebounding is 3rd


I love this reaction. We are a shite team too. What are you talking about? Zion doesn't pad his other stats?
Posted by whatiknowsofar
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Member since Nov 2010
25965 posts
Posted on 7/21/24 at 8:52 pm to
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We are a shite team too.


We won 49 fricking games last year man. We are anything but shitty.

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What are you talking about? Zion doesn't pad his other stats?


Even on that team russell averaged 10.7 boards pg. If that's what you want out of zion I can understand somewhat. I think 8 is fine. But 12-13 is ludicrous. He simply isn't tall enough to do that
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