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Is there value in not taking "the better deal" from the Lakers...
Posted on 6/12/19 at 10:58 am
Posted on 6/12/19 at 10:58 am
That would be enough to "make up the difference" between the next best team?
In other words, there are a variety of non basketball reasons to not trade with the Lakers, mainly:
1) Western Conference Team
2) Helping to create a possible new Super Team when the other Super Team in the West might be fading
And perhaps most importantly to me:
3) It says to Rich Paul and other agents that not only are these tactics fine, but that they WORK, and they will employ them more and more, especially against us and other small market teams.
I am not saying to pass on the Lakers deal if its MUCH better...I'm just trying to gauge the difference that those non-tangible things would make to you.
In other words, there are a variety of non basketball reasons to not trade with the Lakers, mainly:
1) Western Conference Team
2) Helping to create a possible new Super Team when the other Super Team in the West might be fading
And perhaps most importantly to me:
3) It says to Rich Paul and other agents that not only are these tactics fine, but that they WORK, and they will employ them more and more, especially against us and other small market teams.
I am not saying to pass on the Lakers deal if its MUCH better...I'm just trying to gauge the difference that those non-tangible things would make to you.
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Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:00 am to Fun Bunch
If the Lakers offer every asset they have, every future asset and the moon, I’d consider dealing with them.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:01 am to Fun Bunch
I mean the only real value is not setting a precedent of letting slimeball agents determine teams rosters.
I Hope the league puts a clamp on this type of stuff moving forward because this is a really bad look for the NBA.
I Hope the league puts a clamp on this type of stuff moving forward because this is a really bad look for the NBA.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:01 am to Fun Bunch
The only offer I can see that would cause me to hesitate before taking the Beal/Ingram/other stuff framework we all seem to be happy with is if the Celtics godfather/nearly godfather offer.
At that point I would be fine with either offer and would start to ask myself about these other factors.
At that point I would be fine with either offer and would start to ask myself about these other factors.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:04 am to Fun Bunch
I'm to the point where I'd take Tatum, Smart, and 14, rather than take Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, 4, and 2 future picks, or whatever assets we can acquire by flipping those.
I would also tell the Lakers that they better figure out a way to shut RP up, or I'm not answering the phone when they call.
I would also tell the Lakers that they better figure out a way to shut RP up, or I'm not answering the phone when they call.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:07 am to Fun Bunch
there's a ton of value in petty.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:09 am to Epic Cajun
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I'm to the point where I'd take Tatum, Smart, and 14, rather than take Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, 4, and 2 future picks, or whatever assets we can acquire by flipping those.
Welcome to the club brother
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:09 am to Fun Bunch
The value would be in the calculation that this causes the Lakers to completely disintegrate as they whiff on AD and all the major free agents, causing LeBron to demand a trade.
That happens and it removes one potential playoff team from the Western Conference playoff picture.
That happens and it removes one potential playoff team from the Western Conference playoff picture.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:11 am to Epic Cajun
This will go 1 of two ways. Either the Pelicans accept a deal for the best young player on the table(Tatum) and the package around him or the Lakers pull a rabbit out of their @$$ and find a 3rd team to land a player like Beal to make their offer enticing.
The Lakers would have to meet everything on the list for Griffin to send him to a Western Conference team that the Pelicans aren’t fond of.
Make no mistake, this is Boston’s offer to lose. Every other team is probably just noise at this point.
The Lakers would have to meet everything on the list for Griffin to send him to a Western Conference team that the Pelicans aren’t fond of.
Make no mistake, this is Boston’s offer to lose. Every other team is probably just noise at this point.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:13 am to Epic Cajun
quote:This is why I could never do that job well, I'm too proud.
I would also tell the Lakers that they better figure out a way to shut RP up, or I'm not answering the phone when they call.
I'd 100% be on the phone with the Lakers today and telling them whatever framework we discussed, they need to now add a 1st rounder or 2 to that to pay the Rich Paul tax, and like you said, they'll need to shut him up or the demand will raise.
I'd be so bad at that job.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:15 am to shel311
I honestly don't think its out of the realm of possibility that Griffin has done/is doing that in a more diplomatic way.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:18 am to Fun Bunch
quote:I don't think I'd be dumb enough to just shut the Lakers out and take a way lesser offer out of spite, I'd still deal with them if they have the best offer.
I honestly don't think its out of the realm of possibility that Griffin has done/is doing that in a more diplomatic way.
But I do think i'd be dumb enough to put that Rich Paul tax on them and live with the results if that makes the Lakers say no.
I do wish we could know what Griff is telling the Lakers in regards to RP right about now. He has to put some sort of threat, as you stated diplomatically, that if they don't shut him up, we just move on from them...whether he means it or now.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 11:19 am
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:19 am to shel311
All indications are they are banking HARD on getting AD, so I’d ask for the moon then dare them to walk.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:20 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
I honestly don't think its out of the realm of possibility that Griffin has done/is doing that in a more diplomatic way.
I really hope so.
I want to see the Lakers totally destroyed by this almost as much as I want the Pels to get the best ROI they can from any deal.
It’s personal at this point.
If I were in the Pels FO, I’d be plastering AD’s All Star break remarks (about any of the other 29 teams being acceptable destinations) everywhere I could just to show the world what lying PsOS he, LeBron and Rich Paul are.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:29 am to tigersquad89
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I mean the only real value is not setting a precedent of letting slimeball agents determine teams rosters.
I Hope the league puts a clamp on this type of stuff moving forward because this is a really bad look for the NBA.
Exactly what I was thinking.
I don't know if I don't take a considerable lesser deal (within reason) to not give Rich Paul and James what they conspired to create. They deliberately set about to create a controversial situation to force the Pelicans hands and essentially force the Pelicans to send AD to situation that was best for "Klutch Sports".
I mean a few weeks ago the main piece of a AD trade was likely going to be the #1 overall pick (i.e. Zion Williamson) Well, the pelicans have that now and didn't even have to give up AD to get it.
I just really don't buy into all this "AD and the Lakers have the upper hand now" crap. I think the upper hand is and has been firmly in New Orleans ever since they picked that ping pong ball. It was really a worst case scenario for the Lakers and to some extent AD if he is really dead set on playing for the Lakers that the Pelicans basically got Zion for free. (so to speak). I believe Klutch drummed up all the BS about Zion maybe, sorta not being thrilled about playing in NOLA. Klutch is likely the reason for the young Lakers players having a less than favorable opinion of New Orleans.
I would definitely take less to frick over RP, Klutch, James and the Lakers. Unfortunately AD got wrapped up in they're BS games but he did so now he's got to lay on their bed with them.
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:30 am to Fun Bunch
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It says to Rich Paul and other agents that not only are these tactics fine, but that they WORK, and they will employ them more and more, especially against us and other small market teams.
Agents have done this and will continue to do this. Sometimes they get what they want, sometimes they don't. What Paul is doing is not novel or unprecedented.
The Pels should take whatever the best deal is for them, all things considered.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:32 am to corndeaux
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The Pels should take whatever the best deal is for them, all things considered.
And that is part of my point. Are these things not a part of the "best deal"?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:34 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
It says to Rich Paul and other agents that not only are these tactics fine, but that they WORK, and they will employ them more and more, especially against us and other small market teams.
this is the main reason I couldn't let him go to Lakers if I'm Gayle Benson
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:38 am to Fun Bunch
#3 is an actual consideration for know nothings like us on message boards.
One thing not to eat a shite sandwich to acquiesce to Davis, quite another to "send a message" because this can be a nasty business.
Do the best deal that helps the Pels out the most, not the one that earns brownie points from anonymous FO execs
One thing not to eat a shite sandwich to acquiesce to Davis, quite another to "send a message" because this can be a nasty business.
Do the best deal that helps the Pels out the most, not the one that earns brownie points from anonymous FO execs
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 11:39 am
Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:38 am to Fun Bunch
IMO, the Lakers have to pony up a lot more than anyone else.
Call it the Rich Paul tax or whatever, but they’d have to give up so much that there’d be no way they’d be a contender for at least 3 years.
In a way, this is bigger than just the Pels, Lakers and AD.
The repercussions from this ordeal will reverberate throughout the league for years to come.
Call it the Rich Paul tax or whatever, but they’d have to give up so much that there’d be no way they’d be a contender for at least 3 years.
In a way, this is bigger than just the Pels, Lakers and AD.
The repercussions from this ordeal will reverberate throughout the league for years to come.
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