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re: If Zion gets hurt again this season
Posted on 2/3/23 at 9:41 am to Balsamic_duck
Posted on 2/3/23 at 9:41 am to Balsamic_duck
quote:
This is one of the deepest teams ive seen in NOLA and they've been let down by the "stars"
People have been shitting on the rest of the team during this collapse. IMO The BI injury and more so the Zion injury is the full and only cause of the collapse. Guys are tired. CJ is tired from carrying this team early and needs some rest. Other injuries have happened and players have been asked to play roles that they are not used to due to injuries. BI’s return so far as been a monumental failure. Can he turn it around? Sure. But to this point he has been the relief some other players have needed even if it would have been short minutes. The team held things together until Zion came back and Zion was a beast. The team said ok let’s do this then looked around and Zion was out again. There is only so long that you can play short handed and even more so short handed without your 2 biggest stars.
Ok don’t laugh at what I am about to say because it looks so bleak right now.
If this team can figure out a way to go 3-3 before the all star break. At the all star break, players rest and Zion actually returns there maybe a chance to get back to 4 seed based on schedule.
In the 23 games after the break, the Pels only play 4 teams that are currently more than 3 games over .500, the play 11 games to teams under .500, and of those 11, 5 are more than 10 games under .500.
If they can win 15 of those that would get them to 44 wins. In this year, that might get them in the top 6.
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 9:45 am to crowbar832001
quote:
People have been shitting on the rest of the team during this collapse. IMO The BI injury and more so the Zion injury is the full and only cause of the collapse. Guys are tired. CJ is tired from carrying this team early and needs some rest. Other injuries have happened and players have been asked to play roles that they are not used to due to injuries. BI’s return so far as been a monumental failure. Can he turn it around? Sure. But to this point he has been the relief some other players have needed even if it would have been short minutes. The team held things together until Zion came back and Zion was a beast. The team said ok let’s do this then looked around and Zion was out again. There is only so long that you can play short handed and even more so short handed without your 2 biggest stars.
Ok don’t laugh at what I am about to say because it looks so bleak right now.
If this team can figure out a way to go 3-3 before the all star break. At the all star break, players rest and Zion actually returns there maybe a chance to get back to 4 seed based on schedule.
In the 23 games after the break, the Pels only play 4 teams that are currently more than 3 games over .500, the play 11 games to teams under .500, and of those 11, 5 are more than 10 games under .500.
If they can win 15 of those that would get them to 44 wins. In this year, that might get them in the top 6.
I agree. People have been dogging the role players during this losing streak when they've been playing out of position and trying to carry the weight of 2 stars being out. Role players arent supposed to be able to carry a team this long. A few games here and there, yeah sure but almost a whole season? Hell no. People are looking at someone to get mad at so the players that are actually playing are easy targets when the players that arent playing are the real problem
Posted on 2/3/23 at 10:05 am to crowbar832001
quote:Nah
IMO The BI injury and more so the Zion injury is the full and only cause of the collapse
I mean, we won't be good without our 2 best players, but we're not 10 losses in a row bad.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 7:22 pm to Soggymoss
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BI has had more injuries this year than Zion has had in his career.
Huh?
By my count, both have missed time this season from 2 injuries.
Zion: Tailbone, hamstring
BI: Concussion, toe
Posted on 2/3/23 at 7:38 pm to Safety Blitz
In the words of Fred Durst and Methodman.
SHUT THE frick UP!
SHUT THE frick UP!
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:26 pm to Broski
quote:Zion had the ankle too, so 3 for Zion, 2 for BI. Or the complete opposite of what Soggy claimed that made his entire basis for saying BI is more injury prone than Zion.
By my count, both have missed time this season from 2 injuries.
Zion: Tailbone, hamstring
BI: Concussion, toe
Us idiots somehow realize that. Pretty disappointing how Soggy couldn't just concede he was wrong and lashing incorrectly out but instead just disappeared from the thread when he realized his entire argument was wrong. Not a good look.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 10:35 pm to shel311
I'm still kinda on the floor from someone saying Zion isn't injury prone and it not being a joke.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 6:52 am to shel311
I didn’t disappear, i was just tired of you not being able to comprehend what I was saying.
Once again, the point I'm making is you cannot take a player who’s majority of his games missed are from 2 injuries and call him injury prone. If thats the case then you can call 90% of the NBA injury prone. And i did say you cannot say that about Z RIGHT NOW.
Also, i forgot about the rolled ankle earlier in the season, my bad.
Once again, the point I'm making is you cannot take a player who’s majority of his games missed are from 2 injuries and call him injury prone. If thats the case then you can call 90% of the NBA injury prone. And i did say you cannot say that about Z RIGHT NOW.
Also, i forgot about the rolled ankle earlier in the season, my bad.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 7:42 am to Soggymoss
the latest injury concerns me because he was shooting some from mid range.
after an injury he has to regroove his stroke.
ingram needed time.
z will not be much more than a power driver.
at this rate they will be a road team first round and out.
hopefully tm3 has his awakening in the next month or two. i just want to see progress.
same with herb. frigging work on your game.
and kira is back. its so tantalizing.
after an injury he has to regroove his stroke.
ingram needed time.
z will not be much more than a power driver.
at this rate they will be a road team first round and out.
hopefully tm3 has his awakening in the next month or two. i just want to see progress.
same with herb. frigging work on your game.
and kira is back. its so tantalizing.
This post was edited on 2/4/23 at 7:44 am
Posted on 2/4/23 at 7:49 am to Safety Blitz
He’s the Michael Thomas of basketball. He’s really of no use, as great as he can be.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 8:48 am to Soggymoss
quote:Your premise was factually incorrect, how in the world would I be able to comprehend that?
didn’t disappear, i was just tired of you not being able to comprehend what I was saying
You said BI had more injuries this season than Zion has in his entire career but the literal fact is Zion has had more injuries just this season than BI. It's odd that you'd expect someone to comprehend your point knowing how factual incorrect your premise was.
This post was edited on 2/4/23 at 8:51 am
Posted on 2/4/23 at 9:01 am to shel311
quote:
is you cannot take a player who’s majority of his games missed are from 2 injuries and call him injury prone.
This is the point you're allowing to completely fly right over your head
Posted on 2/4/23 at 9:04 am to Soggymoss
quote:
This is the point you're allowing to completely fly right over your head
Your entire premise was actually that BI was more injury prone due to having more injuries. You were, again, wrong with that assertion in that you overstated how many injuries BI had and under stated how many injuries Zion.
This post was edited on 2/4/23 at 9:05 am
Posted on 2/4/23 at 9:07 am to shel311
quote:
Your entire premise was actually that BI was more injury prone due to having more injuries.
Look at the injury reports for the last 4 years and tell me who has had more injuries.
Yes, i forgot about the Zion ankle, already acknowledged that.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 9:09 am to Soggymoss
quote:And you gave BI an extra injury he never had this season. You said he misses time with 3 different injuries.
Yes, i forgot about the Zion ankle, already acknowledged that
quote:comparing 3 Zion years to 4 Ingram years because Zion was hurt for an entire year is, again, not terribly logical.
Look at the injury reports for the last 4 years and tell me who has had more injuries.
This post was edited on 2/4/23 at 9:13 am
Posted on 2/4/23 at 9:12 am to shel311
quote:
And you gave BI an extra injury he never had this season. You said he misses time with 3 different injuries.
Well to be fair when you miss over 2 months because you stubbed your toe, it sure as hell seems like it.
quote:
comparing 3 Zion years to 4 Ingram years because Zion was hurt for an entire year is, again, not terribly logical.
Fine, then take out Ingram’s 21-22 season and compare them if you want to try to help your argument.
I’m done with this argument
This post was edited on 2/4/23 at 9:14 am
Posted on 2/4/23 at 9:13 am to Soggymoss
That's just deflecting from how wrong you were, that's all you're doing
When you miss large swaths of games, that's less games to get smaller injuries. I'd think that would be obvious, no?
Because Zion is the one that misses large portions of games more often. So you're not comparing apples to apples.
When you miss large swaths of games, that's less games to get smaller injuries. I'd think that would be obvious, no?
Because Zion is the one that misses large portions of games more often. So you're not comparing apples to apples.
This post was edited on 2/4/23 at 9:14 am
Posted on 2/4/23 at 9:14 am to Soggymoss
quote:You never started, you were woefully off base and factually incorrect the entire time.
I’m done with this argument
Posted on 2/4/23 at 9:15 am to shel311
quote:
When you miss large swaths of games, that's less games to get smaller injuries.
And again, if this is your premise for labeling someone as injury prone, then you’re labeling almost every player in the NBA as injury prone because a majority of time missed for alot of guys is because of 1-2 major injuries.
Posted on 2/4/23 at 9:18 am to Soggymoss
quote:This would be a valid point if the majority of the NBA averaged 30 games per season the past 4 years. But they didn't, so the point is not relevant.
And again, if this is your premise for labeling someone as injury prone, then you’re labeling almost every player in the NBA as injury prone because a majority of time missed for alot of guys is because of 1-2 major injuries.
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