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How would you rebuild this team around AD?
Posted on 12/9/15 at 9:57 am
Posted on 12/9/15 at 9:57 am
I'm not talking about specific players, or even specific moves, but what kind of roster would you like to build around him?
We have 4 years to get it right, essentially. Would you attempt to trade off all big contracts and start with the draft again? And sign big FAs later on down the road (2 years from now or so)?
What roster would compliment him the best? Him playing Center with a PF that can play in the post? Tons of 3 point shooters? Ball control PG?
Burn this bitch to the ground and tell a way you'd like to see it constructed (I'm really most interested in specific roster construction)
We have 4 years to get it right, essentially. Would you attempt to trade off all big contracts and start with the draft again? And sign big FAs later on down the road (2 years from now or so)?
What roster would compliment him the best? Him playing Center with a PF that can play in the post? Tons of 3 point shooters? Ball control PG?
Burn this bitch to the ground and tell a way you'd like to see it constructed (I'm really most interested in specific roster construction)
Posted on 12/9/15 at 10:08 am to Fun Bunch
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What roster would compliment him the best?
the Spurs' roster
Posted on 12/9/15 at 10:14 am to Fun Bunch
As much as people talk about Golden State and San Antonio's offense, they have had top 3 defenses when they were winning/competing for titles. The new direction in defense, which Golden State is leading the league towards, is versatile defenders that can guard multiple positions and switch freely on the NBA's go to play, the Pick and Roll. I don't want defense only guys like Aminu, but 2 way players that can guard 2-3 positions should be the core of the team.
To me that means AD/Jrue/QPon/Dante can stay. I don't know much about Morris, but he would seem to fit the criteria as well.
To me that means AD/Jrue/QPon/Dante can stay. I don't know much about Morris, but he would seem to fit the criteria as well.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 10:38 am to TigerinATL
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I don't want defense only guys like Aminu, but 2 way players that can guard 2-3 positions should be the core of the team.
Didn't the Nets have multiple players like this a couple of years ago?
Posted on 12/9/15 at 11:01 am to c on z
We need an active center like gobert or drummond.
Or if we play AD at C then someone like Monroe that can play a decent two man post game and has a decent jumper.
A pg similar to Dragic that gets 8-10 assists a game and can score.
a roll player at sf that can guard multiple positions.
Fill in the roster with guys that play hard and can shoot 3s.
Or if we play AD at C then someone like Monroe that can play a decent two man post game and has a decent jumper.
A pg similar to Dragic that gets 8-10 assists a game and can score.
a roll player at sf that can guard multiple positions.
Fill in the roster with guys that play hard and can shoot 3s.
This post was edited on 12/9/15 at 11:02 am
Posted on 12/9/15 at 11:05 am to Wasp
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A pg similar to Dragic that gets 8-10 assists a game and can score.
This can be Holiday if he doesn't have a minutes restriction.
His per 36 number are really good. 19/3/8.
In fact, comparing their per 36 numbers, Jrue is having a better year this year than practically any year for Goran. '12-'13 Goran had very slightly better assists and '13-'14 Goran had more points. Every other year he's been lower in both categories compared to this year's holiday.
The only place Goran has been consistently better than Jrue has been TOs (about 1 less per 36) and rebounds (a little less than 1 more per 36).
This post was edited on 12/9/15 at 11:12 am
Posted on 12/9/15 at 11:12 am to Fun Bunch
Tear it down to jrue, Quincy, AD. Add a cheap vertical spacing big man (alley oops) that can defend well enough (think Biyambo) Add a Defensive SF/PF (think Harrison Barnes) that can be respected from the arc.
Nows where it gets fun. jrue becomes your shooting guard and you go for a player with actually above average passing skills and isn't dumb at the point (think Rubio or wall) so that AD can get the ball in non obvious situations that defenses shut down. I'm tired of seeing post entry passes get stolen...
Rest of the positions I agree with TigerinATL on, just good two way players that can switch effectively and shoot average. You don't need great shooting if you have good movement, average shooting will do.
I want Davis as mainly a 5 but the ability to throw the defensive minded dude in there next to him (asik theoretically works but he just blows now) will be essential.
And I like ajinca so he can stay too
Nows where it gets fun. jrue becomes your shooting guard and you go for a player with actually above average passing skills and isn't dumb at the point (think Rubio or wall) so that AD can get the ball in non obvious situations that defenses shut down. I'm tired of seeing post entry passes get stolen...
Rest of the positions I agree with TigerinATL on, just good two way players that can switch effectively and shoot average. You don't need great shooting if you have good movement, average shooting will do.
I want Davis as mainly a 5 but the ability to throw the defensive minded dude in there next to him (asik theoretically works but he just blows now) will be essential.
And I like ajinca so he can stay too
Posted on 12/9/15 at 11:21 am to TigerinATL
You need players for depth that excel at their niche and are only asked to do that niche.
We try to fit square pegs into round holes. Perfect example is Tyreke. He is a slasher first, facilitator 2nd. We try to flop it.
Whereas a niche player is Gordon and he's excelling at his job and just his job. His job is to shoot, create 2nd. That's what he does and he's good at.
We try to fit square pegs into round holes. Perfect example is Tyreke. He is a slasher first, facilitator 2nd. We try to flop it.
Whereas a niche player is Gordon and he's excelling at his job and just his job. His job is to shoot, create 2nd. That's what he does and he's good at.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 11:22 am to htran90
Add that we need more two way players for starting position as well.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 12:42 pm to Fun Bunch
I've been so aggravated with the season that I haven't watched many games past the 1st quarter. I really don't like the team we put out on the floor every night. I'd rather not watch basketball than get pissed about what a waste we have made of AD's early career.
I get more pessimistic about the season with every loss. I would blow it up now for any assets we can get. What we have now isn't working. Sucks because we're wasting away the most valuable years of a possible All-Timer. He is a franchise's dream, and we're botching it.
I don't think we are one or two tweaks away from being a contender. We need more talent, and it's a hard time to get talent for market value through free agency. Bigger markets will have just as much cap space, and we aren't giving any players the impression that we are a good small market team to choose in free agency.
I get more pessimistic about the season with every loss. I would blow it up now for any assets we can get. What we have now isn't working. Sucks because we're wasting away the most valuable years of a possible All-Timer. He is a franchise's dream, and we're botching it.
I don't think we are one or two tweaks away from being a contender. We need more talent, and it's a hard time to get talent for market value through free agency. Bigger markets will have just as much cap space, and we aren't giving any players the impression that we are a good small market team to choose in free agency.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 1:00 pm to Spitting Venom
The wasting AD line is flawed
He hasn't even started his max yet
He hasn't even started his max yet
Posted on 12/9/15 at 1:10 pm to LosLobos111
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The wasting AD line is flawed
Ok. Looking into the near future, what do you see that is promising? Other than having AD. We're probably stuck with Asik unless Dell sends out a pick, which he absolutely can't do. We're outmatched in free agency. We're probably going to win enough games this year to just miss the playoffs and get a fringe starter through the draft with the #10 pick. How are we going to add talent?
I feel like Peliclown, but I've been positive and excited over the last few years about our future. I don't see us being a championship team in the next 5 years, plain and simple. I hope I'm wrong, but the cap expansion is coming at the wrong time for us. We aren't a target destination, and like I said earlier, larger markets - and even small markets like Minnesota, Milwaukee - have us beat in free agency. The Pels aren't making a good name for themselves by underperforming with a top 5 player in the league.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 1:14 pm to LosLobos111
Yeah, the concern with AD isn't that we're wasting his prime years when he's just 22 But with his player option year, this team needs to be contending by 2019 to avoid CP3 2.0. Loomis needs to be paying attention and know the difference between a good move and a panic move by a GM on the hot seat.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 1:26 pm to Spitting Venom
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I don't see us being a championship team in the next 5 years, plain and simple.
We need to avoid locking into any more long term money we can't trade easily, which is questionable with the pressure Demps must be feeling, but if we can, the team would have tons of flexibility in 2017. Asik would be at the point in his contract Splitter was when San Antonio gave him away, so maybe you can get Asik off the books, and if you do that you only are committed to AD/QPon/Dante/Ajinca with Bird Rights to Jrue and Tyreke. That's $74 million in cap space if you don't bring back Tyreke and Jrue in an offseason that is likely to see a ton of star level talent switch teams.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 1:27 pm to TigerinATL
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Loomis needs to be paying attention and know the difference between a good move and a panic move by a GM on the hot seat.
If we have to trust Mickey Loomis to figure out what a good basketball move vs a panic basketball move is, then we are in trouble. The guy is not a sterling GM in his own sport.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 2:45 pm to Fun Bunch
Pretend we are Boston but with AD on the roster
Competent FO
Young up and coming coach
Array of younger talent
Stockpile of picks
Huge money to spend in coming year
Pels could've chosen the same route, but it started with hiring better decision makers in lieu of Dell and Loomis. Now we've wasted a few years with the island of misfit toys
Young coach with a plan
Trade Gordon
Hit on the rivers pick
Keep Noel or #6
Keep 2014 1st
Which means no holiday and his contract
Retain GV and Lopez
Which means Don't trade for evans + $$
Don't acquire Asik
And certainly don't resign him
Yea it would've sucked for a few years, but you got AD and some young guys learning and playing hard, in theory. You got a plan and not forcing pieces that don't work. Being bad if you're supposed to be, fine. Being terrible when you're trying to be good with the best player in the league, no thanks
So I'd like to try this again and start from scratch. I don't want any of these guys except AD and ish. Clear money, get as many picks as possible, find a coach and gm. Let AD work out with potential draftees and FAs, get one or two of his guys in here.
Competent FO
Young up and coming coach
Array of younger talent
Stockpile of picks
Huge money to spend in coming year
Pels could've chosen the same route, but it started with hiring better decision makers in lieu of Dell and Loomis. Now we've wasted a few years with the island of misfit toys
Young coach with a plan
Trade Gordon
Hit on the rivers pick
Keep Noel or #6
Keep 2014 1st
Which means no holiday and his contract
Retain GV and Lopez
Which means Don't trade for evans + $$
Don't acquire Asik
And certainly don't resign him
Yea it would've sucked for a few years, but you got AD and some young guys learning and playing hard, in theory. You got a plan and not forcing pieces that don't work. Being bad if you're supposed to be, fine. Being terrible when you're trying to be good with the best player in the league, no thanks
So I'd like to try this again and start from scratch. I don't want any of these guys except AD and ish. Clear money, get as many picks as possible, find a coach and gm. Let AD work out with potential draftees and FAs, get one or two of his guys in here.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 2:47 pm to Fun Bunch
Simple. Trade the entire core. Grab a true center and a true small forward. Let guards be guards. AD plays the 4
Posted on 12/9/15 at 3:44 pm to GynoSandberg
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I don't want any of these guys except AD and ish.
Ish Smith is a core piece now?
Posted on 12/9/15 at 4:04 pm to TigerinATL
If we hit the reset button, the only player I think the Pels will keep are AD, Q and Dante.
Jrue has chronic injury issues.
Jrue has chronic injury issues.
Posted on 12/9/15 at 4:07 pm to Solo
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Jrue has chronic injury issues.
This is true.
And like almost virtually every other injury maligned talent that plays in New Orleans, he will undoubtedly have several years of 75+ game seasons with solid/great productivity on his new team.
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