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"How 4 Minutes of Omer Asik Screwed the Pels"
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:43 am
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:43 am
This is an excellent Reddit post from a non-Pels fan on the Asik situation and that if he WERE to medically retire, 4 minutes of him last year in February coupled with moving up the trade deadline this year may have fricked the Pels.
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FWIW, I don't think Asik medically retires. I think he's going to do everything he can to make sure that isn't the case.
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Now let's get to the part about Asik. With Boogie's future with the Pelicans in doubt, it would be reasonable to assume the Pelicans will be active at this years trade deadline. However, it's important to keep in mind that i doubt the Pelicans want to go into the Luxury tax this current year if Boogie is going to sign an extension as any extension he might sign would put the Pels clearly into the Luxury Tax again in 2018 as a repeat offender.
Now how does Asik play into this? Well, Asik is likely to be medically retired by the Pels. A player is able to be medically retired on the 1st anniversary of his last regular season game (and not before). And this brings us to the issue. Asik's last 3 games played were on January 12, 2017 (5 mins), January 25th, 2017 (4 mins) and February 10th, 2017 (4 mins). That means Asik is able to be medically retired come Feb 10th, 2018. Of note, the cap relief that comes from a medical retirement cannot be traded, so if a team hypothetically traded for Asik at the deadline, the new team would be unable to receive any cap relief from Asik following his medical retirement. Source here: LINK
This brings us to the best part. The NBA trade deadline for this year is Feb 8th, 2018. For those who don't know, the NBA moved up the the trade deadline by a week this past off season, to make the deadline before the allstar game instead of after, largely as a result of the mess that was Boogie's trade to New Orleans in the first place.
So to sum up, as a result of the Pelicans playing Omer Asik for 4 minutes in Feb 2017, as well as the fiasco that was the Boogie trade to NO, the Pelicans are really hamstrung by the luxury tax threshold around the trade deadline due to Asik not being able to be medically retired until 2 days after the trade deadline. This severely limits their trade flexibility around the deadline as it relates to going into the luxury tax for the 2017-2018 season.
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FWIW, I don't think Asik medically retires. I think he's going to do everything he can to make sure that isn't the case.
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Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:52 am to Fun Bunch
He got the initial infection which triggered all of this in Mexico during all-star break. He didn't miss his first game with injury until after ASB. I think Feb 23rd or 25th was his first game missed. Credit to ATL for being the first one to bring this up.
This post was edited on 11/8/17 at 11:53 am
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:56 am to Fun Bunch
Interesting points but there's also some assumptions I don't know if they're even true though.
Boggie's extension "in doubt" and Asik "likely to be medically retired" are the 2 I'm speaking of.
Boggie's extension "in doubt" and Asik "likely to be medically retired" are the 2 I'm speaking of.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 11:59 am to shel311
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Boggie's extension "in doubt" and Asik "likely to be medically retired"
Agree I don't agree with either of those.
I just thought it was an interesting take from a Non-Pels fan.
Shows that people are kind of paying attention to our situation.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:02 pm to NOFOX
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He got the initial infection which triggered all of this in Mexico during all-star break. He didn't miss his first game with injury until after ASB. I think Feb 23rd or 25th was his first game missed
February 25th is the first game he's marked as inactive rather than DNP. What was listed in the OP is completely right based on the way Larry Coon details medical retirement. I do wonder if Coon was unintentionally vague with his phrasing though. Since only the team where the injury/illness occurred can get this benefit it does seem like the spirit of the law would be DNP Coaches Decision because a player sucks shouldn't count towards the anniversary. But maybe the actual rules are vaguely worded too since this doesn't come up much.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:19 pm to TigerinATL
Interesting, but we will be fine. He retires and we resign boogie. Yeah, we don’t get to be as active at the trade deadline, but there are things we can do.
If we can get him off of the books and make a few shrewd moves, we can be in a decent position next season.
If we can get him off of the books and make a few shrewd moves, we can be in a decent position next season.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:31 pm to Fun Bunch
Why does the date in February matter if you can’t trade the cap relief? Who cares when in February he retires?
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:35 pm to SuperSoakher
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Why does the date in February matter if you can’t trade the cap relief? Who cares when in February he retires?
Did you bother reading?
If he medically retired before the trade deadline, you are far away from the luxury tax, and could possibly take on more salary in a trade and not be into the tax, AND you wouldn't have to move his deal which has severe negative value.
Now you have to tread extremely carefully to not go into the tax, and/or make Asik part of a deal which is obviously difficult.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:35 pm to SuperSoakher
quote:Good point, I didn't think of that. I'm interested to see the clarification on that.
Why does the date in February matter if you can’t trade the cap relief? Who cares when in February he retires?
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:39 pm to shel311
The reasoning is literally in the OP, but I clarified it in the post above yours.
The luxury tax and cap flexibility.
The luxury tax and cap flexibility.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:49 pm to Fun Bunch
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If he medically retired before the trade deadline, you are far away from the luxury tax, and could possibly take on more salary in a trade and not be into the tax,
We've got trade exceptions that could be used to get someone like Will Barton, but since we have zero cap room to do anything, those exceptions are useless.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:50 pm to shel311
I’m guessing there has to be a way to appeal or request some sort of exception. Maybe?
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:51 pm to TigerinATL
Turns out the CBA wording is sae as Coon's:
There doesnt seem to be any qualifier, though that seems odd to allow time spent as a DNP, not on the injury list to count towards that.
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beginning on the first anniversary of the date of the last Regular Season or playoff game in which the player played
There doesnt seem to be any qualifier, though that seems odd to allow time spent as a DNP, not on the injury list to count towards that.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:52 pm to chesty
Could the Pels go all “bobby Bonilla” and offer buy out of Asik for 1 mil a year if he wants all that contract money but he’d be set for a while. About to read up on this
Posted on 11/8/17 at 12:58 pm to NOFOX
If February 10th is the date then the Pels will at least have a reasonable idea if medical retirement is likely heading into the trade deadline. If it is then you can look at different deals with the assumption that you don't have to pay to dump Asik.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:00 pm to Fun Bunch
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The reasoning is literally in the OP, but I clarified it in the post above yours.
The luxury tax and cap flexibility.
The real negative is simply not getting a determination on the medical retirement before the deadline.
PRetty sure that Dell has only used taxpayer midlevel and no biannual. So we could make a trade and go over the apron (get hardcapped) pre-ASB and then Asik would come off the books post-ASB and we wouldn't be a tax team or anything.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:04 pm to Fun Bunch
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FWIW, I don't think Asik medically retires. I think he's going to do everything he can to make sure that isn't the case.
Aaaand this is why I hate him. Just end it man. You're not ever playing on an NBA team again. You still get your money from Medically retiring, it helps us, and if you're doing better later on you can still go play in Europe or something.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 1:17 pm to Hazelnut
If it's an uncontested retirement you only need one league appointed doctor to sign off. If the player disagrees the team can still get the exception they just have to prove it to a 3 doctor panel instead of one. What Asik wants isn't as important as how debilitating his condition actually is.
Posted on 11/8/17 at 2:12 pm to TigerinATL
FWIW - the team is not thinking this is going to happen. Very unlikely. They are moving forward as if it won't. Asik is traveling with the team, doing light workouts. There would have to be a setback
Posted on 11/8/17 at 2:23 pm to Crewz
quote:Is the plan that he will provide some small minutes at the 5 to give AD and DC some rest or is it wishful thinking that he will do something for his money?
FWIW - the team is not thinking this is going to happen. Very unlikely. They are moving forward as if it won't. Asik is traveling with the team, doing light workouts. There would have to be a setback
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