re: Griffin said from the beginning he wanted this to be "sustainable"

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We had to be told they were ready to be nba rotation players because they hadn't shown that on the court.

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All of them flashed moments.

I was also around when half this board was ready to crown NAW a better Lonzo and hand the future of the position to him because he scored 37 as a starter.

I like Trey, still say he is my favorite pick other than Zion.

But he's still a negative defender and has been slow to progress there despite a lot of elite mentors and coaches to learn from. Herb has utterly failed to progress offensively. Dyson has a long ways to go on the offensive end to be more than a bench rotation player.

And there is no guarantee those guys put it together.

I have the highest hope in Trey, but for this team to go from 2nd round ceiling to championship, we need one of those 3 to be at a Mikal Bridges level. We need a switchable rim-protecting big. The latter simply doesn't exist on our roster and none of those three are close to the former yet.

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The problem is, they haven't been, so that depth has been exposed

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No NBA team can be “deep” or true competitors missing their top 2 players.

The health of Zion and BI are just a crapshoot and each year we will have to hope the stars align for only one of them out at a time and/or they both healthy at the most opportune time end of season for a run

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NAW had some good moments but the overall impact was ugly, both in the eye test and the stats.

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Keep in mind the period I am talking about is the SVG year.

NAW scored 37 and the fanbase crowned him the future. Jax and his second half of the season play was concluded to be indicative of a bright future. Griff fought with SVG that those guys should be playing more minutes and SVG was holding them back by bringing them along slower. Made special note of guys already on the roster ready to be more front and center in his post season press briefing. Reports of Griff micromanaging lineups to get "his guys" more front and center and was one of the rifts with SVG. One of the things that Willie offered him was more control of that stuff as Willie was new. Remember their first press conference had Willie mentioning the family atmosphere and dialogue with the FO about helping him. NAW was gifted the starting position for 20 games til his play was too bad to continue.

I agree the new crop of youngsters are better prospects, but that doesn't completely alleviate the concern I have with Griff maybe being too protective of "his guys" as he has done in the past.

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our success hinges on the health of our two best players

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Said every team since basketball history began

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This is mainly where my frustration lies I guess. You have the interest of the entire city and the fanbase is all in. They've trusted the process and then you raise ticket prices? Yet barely do anything to improve the roster? It sends a conflicting message imo

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Did they not just trade for CJ and nance a year ago when there was an opportunity to improve? Then sign both of them to $85 million worth of extensions in the offseason? Why are people ignoring this and then turn around and get pissed for dumping Graham’s worthless contract? This saved us $15 million. Last time I checked 85>15.

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Were not a championship contender this year.

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Meh, we were first in the west a 5 weeks ago. If we're banking on having Zion and BI for the playoffs (which we should) then you're a title contender and should definitely consider cashing in some of your war chest for short-sighted "win now" moves.

This is a fickle arse sport and you never know how good you're going to be from year to year.

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You don’t overpay

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Never said this.

I'm not saying we should've made a move to make a move, but people are acting like we did the exact right thing by standing firm today when none of us actually know what was in play and what we were willing to do.

All I'm saying is that we better not be holding onto assets for the sake of being able to still say "we have assets"

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Never said this.

I'm not saying we should've made a move to make a move, but people are acting like we did the exact right thing by standing firm today when none of us actually know what was in play and what we were willing to do.

All I'm saying is that we better not be holding onto assets for the sake of being able to still say "we have assets"

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I agree, Im not mad that they held if there was nothing that made sense but there has to be an understanding that a move will be coming either this offseason or next deadline.

Truth is we don't play by the same rules as other teams. I believe gayle will pay some tax but she doesn't have bottomless pockets like the warriors and other teams. Its griffs job to match the timelines of this team peaking and making an all in move that puts us in the tax. You don't get many chances and they probably felt it wasn't the right time and they shed DGs money

Slo, our young stars have never really played together. Settle down.

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The problem is that probably won't happen for another what 3 years? When CJ becomes an expiring. How much mediocrity will our two stars allow before they want out? This view assumes the most patient young stars in NBA history

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How many games will they miss to allow the mediocrity?

It’s a 2 way street. We were a top 3 seed when healthy.
They better watch their backs, if they keep missing half of each season we’ll trade them for stars who can play