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re: Griff: BI is "mechanically incapable" of being traded under the new CBA rules
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:56 pm to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 7/16/24 at 3:56 pm to TeddyPadillac
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think they didn't get the offers they wanted for #1, so they just stuck with it and took the best availalbe
It's hard to figure out what the Hawks are doing. They got screwed on the Murray deal. I am sure they got tons of offers to move down (the Spurs gave away #8, so that couldn't have been holding up a deal). It seems that they are doing a semi-reload, while cleaning up the cap.
I actually like the 5 young pieces as a group (Daniels, Bufkin, Risacher, Johnson, Okongwu). It fits well and is flexible. They will have tons of options next offseason, with cap space and movable contracts. Plus they can easily get under the tax line. They'll be a borderline playin team, same as last year.
I just don't see how adding Ingram would have made any sense for them..
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Posted on 7/16/24 at 4:00 pm to Pels_Yaz
quote:I had not heard he was offered and/or turned down any extension last year.
As soon as BI rejected an offer last summer, it was realistic to think as good as BI is he likely was not going to make all nba based on his history. Griffin should have traded him. He also bet on BI this past seasin and his market and failed.
Basically the real issue was NOT trading him last offseason when he said no to the deal.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 4:03 pm to NOSHAU
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I had not heard he was offered and/or turned down any extension last year.
I had heard from local guys he had. I thought Clark mentioned this as well but I could be wrong.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 4:06 pm to Pels_Yaz
If I'm recalling right. They talked extension then eventually decided to wait till this offseason to continue talks
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 4:08 pm to BradleyBadd
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They talked extension
Which means an extension was offered that BI didn’t like. He bet himself for the supermax- at that point Griff should have tried shopping him.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 4:21 pm to TeddyPadillac
I take it to mean "practically impossible."
Posted on 7/16/24 at 4:36 pm to Pels_Yaz
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had heard from local guys he had. I thought Clark mentioned this as well but I could be wrong.
I don’t recall exactly who said it, but it was mentioned that he essentially didn’t want to extend last offseason because he wanted to bet on himself to get eligible for a super max. Which may have also been why he played like arse last season
Posted on 7/16/24 at 6:17 pm to Socrates Johnson
“Mechanically incapable” = used car salesman speak for “I don’t like what’s available”. I couldn’t agree more with Shamit that signing him to an extension is a death knell to the Zion Pels era. Just let him walk at this point.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 7:04 pm to Fun Bunch
Griff is not lying. Second-tier *stars* going for max deals are the new kryptonite. They don't do enough to deserve the max but the market in the last few years says they are and panicked GMs made bad deals. The world (and the rules) changed and now they are not worth as much. Don't blame Griff for reality.
The next 5 years are going to break big-cap teams. Lakers, Celtics, superteam builders are going to get killed with players they can't move so they'll have top absorb bad deals and not be able to make moves. It is NBA AIDS.
The next 5 years are going to break big-cap teams. Lakers, Celtics, superteam builders are going to get killed with players they can't move so they'll have top absorb bad deals and not be able to make moves. It is NBA AIDS.
This post was edited on 7/16/24 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 7/16/24 at 7:09 pm to Buds4
I'm going to be super upset when we give Ingram an extension. At this point, it's going to happen. We can still trade later in the year or future. But they aren't going into the season with him as an expiring. It's too much of a distraction for everyone involved..
Posted on 7/16/24 at 7:26 pm to Buds4
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Griff is not lying.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I really hope you’re trolling because all Griff does is lie. I get it its part of his job but this was a straight lie for why he couldn’t dump BI. I’ll blame Griff because he thinks the people he lies to don’t live in reality.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 7:49 pm to Pels_Yaz
Just to add to the BI trade value discussion, on the Lowe Post yesterday Zach and Pelton both agreed that they’d rather have Jerami Grant on his current contract (5yr/160 mil going through the 27-28 season with a player option on the last year) than BI on the contract that he wants.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 8:46 pm to Epic Cajun
I’d rather that as well on our team now that we have Murray to take the role as perimeter scorer creator from BI.
Murray/Herb/Trey/Grant/Zion is a tall and long small ball lineup.
I don’t think it’s a better lineup than with BI instead of Grant, b/c I think Grant isn’t any better defensively, but his cost allows us to add more depth to the team.
Murray/Herb/Trey/Grant/Zion is a tall and long small ball lineup.
I don’t think it’s a better lineup than with BI instead of Grant, b/c I think Grant isn’t any better defensively, but his cost allows us to add more depth to the team.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 9:11 pm to Pels_Yaz
He's not lying in this case. The rules changed and today's money is way more expensive than last year's money. The Jalen Brown 300M deal is an insanity that cant exist in the new era. The Celtics are super fricked for the next 10 years based upon deals they made in the last 2 years. The entire equation flipped.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 9:36 pm to ThePistol
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“Mechanically incapable” = used car salesman speak for “I don’t like what’s available”. I couldn’t agree more with Shamit that signing him to an extension is a death knell to the Zion Pels era. Just let him walk at this point.
One way or the other...ONLY one way this needs to end...and that's with BI...GONE !!
Hard to take the Pelicans seriously until this happens...and we see what we have after BI is...elsewhere.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 10:00 pm to Buds4
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The Jalen Brown 300M deal is an insanity that cant exist in the new era.
Brown was just the Finals MVP. He is a max player. He would be the top guy on a dozen teams (including ours). Guys like him are not taking lesser deals, nor should they. They can flip him in a heartbeat for a mega haul.
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The Celtics are super fricked for the next 10 years based upon deals they made in the last 2 years. The entire equation flipped.
This is dramatic. They have their core locked up for the next 2-3 years and will be top contenders. They will pay a ton in taxes. But they will make a ton of revenue as well. Then they will break it up when it's not viable anymore. They aren't in anyway screwed.
Posted on 7/16/24 at 11:49 pm to Buds4
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The Jalen Brown 300M deal is an insanity that cant exist in the new era. The Celtics are super fricked for the next 10 years based upon deals they made in the last 2 years. The entire equation flipped.
They’re not. Celtics will be more than fine.
And yes hes lying because Griffin was fully aware of the changing landscape. He sells this stuff so fans like yourself eat it up and act like Griffin isn’t to blame. Again everyone from team executives to random podcasters predicted this landscape when the rules changed.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 6:54 am to Pels_Yaz
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They’re not. Celtics will be more than fine.
They signed all of these dudes to extensions, but they aren’t keeping their team together for more than ~2 more seasons, the tax bill and result of staying in the 2nd apron will be too much.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:07 am to brmark70816
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They can flip him in a heartbeat for a mega haul.
Last year? Maybe
This year? No
He's in the same boat as BI. Better player but much more expensive than BI would be on his max, so that evens out.
Posted on 7/17/24 at 8:14 am to Townedrunkard
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BI has absolutely no reason to take a lower market deal right now.
I said we can still re-sign him (at the lower market rate) later, not now.
BI (and likely his agent) are holding out that one team emerges to shake the (over?) reaction of the market this offseason. If they don't, then he's not getting that bag from anyone.
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