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re: Griff be damned, he destroyed the off season
Posted on 11/27/21 at 4:02 pm to Bronc
Posted on 11/27/21 at 4:02 pm to Bronc
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At the end of the day Griff signs off on all of those moves. But I've said for a while now that nothing Swim or Trajan have done exonerate them from being let go with Griff. Some people want to extend the benefit of doubt to one or both, endorse Gayle making conditions of retainment on the next POBO, and I am not one of them.
So now we’re to the point where nothing on the ship is nailed down. Lets fire everyone…again….and again…..again….
Yeah I’m not cool with restarting this whole process, losing Zion, blowing everything up, just for that. It hasn’t been that bad.
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Again, who's fault is that though? These are the inflection points that dictate the paths of teams, and it is why Griff was handed enormous power, resources, autonomy, and a huge salary, because he claimed to be able to navigate it better than anyone. I don't blame him for Jrue asking out, but I do blame Griff for what he did in response. There is basically no move from the critical year two that is defensible, and while year three is on net not negative, it doesn't;t come close to making up for the degradation and misfires of the first two seasons.
…..it’s Zions fault. He couldn’t stay healthy or show he was dedicated even an inch of staying in shape lending to an easier recovery. The team looked like absolute and total garbage. I’ve already told you year two was the worst Griffins had here.
Oh and for all the talk of how giant of a hole that was dug those first two seasons, all it took was a single trade back to fix it. Wow. So it must not have been that big of a hole.
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I mean, I am insomuch as Zion being back should make the games consistently more enjoyable because he's a top 15 talent, but the collective surrounding cast outside BI/Jonas?
Yeah…. That’s kinda my point in all this. If Zion was healthy, and playing, you wouldn’t be micro assessing every single flaw of supposed to be bench players.
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As I see it, this team is still in need of a true PG, an upgrade at SG to be more complimentary to BI/Zion/Jonas, and better quality depth at most positions.
Agreed. That’s why they went so hard after the top tier guys at PG. But no one wants to come to Nola in FA yet. And that hasn’t ever been the case.
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Posted on 11/27/21 at 4:32 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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So now we’re to the point where nothing on the ship is nailed down. Lets fire everyone…again….and again…..again….
Yeah I’m not cool with restarting this whole process, losing Zion, blowing everything up, just for that. It hasn’t been that bad.
Here's where I don't think things are so black and white. Change does not guarantee improvement.
That doesn't mean you don't try something new, but the question to me isn't does Griff, Langdon, et al deserve more chances. The question is what is the best path forward?
There is a cost and a risk associated with regime change. The Saints are on fire a little bit. Do we really think the Benson Brain Trust is going give a GM search the focus it needs to be done right?
As much as I think this regime deserves to be fired, I just don't see regime change as a slam dunk path to improvement.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 4:50 pm to TigerinATL
James Jones and Phoenix were garbage. Booker was going to ask out soon because they had never done anything in his first 4 years. Ayton was a miss at #1, etc etc etc. Now they are hot shite and poised for a years long run of relevance and Jones is a genius.
Griffin doesn't get a free pass, but perspective beyond the immediate is helpful.
We lived through Jeff Bower and Dell Demps. Griffin has made some moves that have blown up in his face. I have not agreed with some of them, but, other than Adams extension, most of them have been defensible.
Griffin doesn't get a free pass, but perspective beyond the immediate is helpful.
We lived through Jeff Bower and Dell Demps. Griffin has made some moves that have blown up in his face. I have not agreed with some of them, but, other than Adams extension, most of them have been defensible.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 5:16 pm to corndeaux
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James Jones and Phoenix were garbage. Booker was going to ask out soon because they had never done anything in his first 4 years. Ayton was a miss at #1, etc etc etc. Now they are hot shite and poised for a years long run of relevance and Jones is a genius.
then they swung a homerun in getting CP3.
however they were an uptrending team, every year they seemed to just get a bit better and better.
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Griffin doesn't get a free pass, but perspective beyond the immediate is helpful.
true, but I think the reality is that he needs to have consecutive years of 'improving' this roster and team. we have yet to see that, its too up and down, which will limit our potential come zion extension time (i.e. when we have 2 supermax deals)
Posted on 11/27/21 at 5:28 pm to corndeaux
quote:I don't think we can get our CP3 level player, but that is what it'll take for us to take that next step IMO.
James Jones and Phoenix were garbage. Booker was going to ask out soon because they had never done anything in his first 4 years. Ayton was a miss at #1, etc etc etc. Now they are hot shite and poised for a years long run of relevance and Jones is a genius.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 5:31 pm to shel311
Then let's hope Fox does become available. He's the most likely candidate for star level lead guard at the right place in his contract cycle on a bad team.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 5:36 pm to TigerinATL
If they won’t give up Fox in a deal for Simmons, I wonder what the Pels can offer to get him.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 5:43 pm to TotesMcGotes
quote:This is fair but it could be as simple as they don't want Simmons at all so it's not the best comparison.
If they won’t give up Fox in a deal for Simmons, I wonder what the Pels can offer to get him
Posted on 11/27/21 at 5:59 pm to shel311
Could be. But then the report isn’t that they’re unwilling to part with Fox. It’s that they’re not interested in the trade, regardless of assets going out.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 6:03 pm to htran90
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however they were an uptrending team, every year they seemed to just get a bit better and better.
Win totals starting w/ Booker's rookie year
23
24
19
21
34 (8-0 in the bubble)
51
CP3 was the perfect fit. They got him for a couple of stiffs, a couple of role players, and a pick (which they will likely convey this year as a late first).
Pels need that type of keystone to level up. We'll see if it happens.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 6:10 pm to TotesMcGotes
Nobody wants to talk about it, but if the Pels have a legit shot at a #2/#3 guy that is a lead guard, you might have to put Valanciunas on the table. He's probably the best "non core" trade asset the Pels have right now.
If you were another team that wasn't looking to blow it up, and the Pels told you "anyone but Zion/Ingram", most team's wish lists would probably look like:
1) JV
2) Graham
3) Hart
4) Herb
If you were another team that wasn't looking to blow it up, and the Pels told you "anyone but Zion/Ingram", most team's wish lists would probably look like:
1) JV
2) Graham
3) Hart
4) Herb
This post was edited on 11/27/21 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 11/27/21 at 6:16 pm to corndeaux
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CP3 was the perfect fit. They got him for a couple of stiffs, a couple of role players, and a pick (which they will likely convey this year as a late first).
Pels need that type of keystone to level up. We'll see if it happens.
Brogdon would have been damn amazing for that role.
Really want them to fall apart because come next year, he might be available
Posted on 11/27/21 at 6:47 pm to TigerinATL
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Nobody wants to talk about it, but if the Pels have a legit shot at a #2/#3 guy that is a lead guard, you might have to put Valanciunas on the table. He's probably the best "non core" trade asset the Pels have right now.
It has occurred to me. At that point, we'd have to use the $17 million trade exception to get another center. That's more than what we're paying Valanciunas, but who knows which centers might be available then?
Posted on 11/27/21 at 6:48 pm to GOP_Tiger
Myles turner is forever available
Posted on 11/27/21 at 6:49 pm to Bronc
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Year one was Jrue, Lonzo, BI, Zion, non-washed Favors with a still hot Reddick as sixth man and Hart as your 7th.
You can not tell me with a straight face, if we are speaking exclusively about players outside Zion/Bi, that you wouldn't take the equivalent of those players from that season, today, over the group we have today.
With a healthy year three Zion that would be a top 5 seed at worse. While I think even healthy you are talking about this team as play-in material at it's peak.
Sounds like you think Griff put together a quality roster in year 1
Posted on 11/27/21 at 7:43 pm to Bronc
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Graham: Price: bad, player: good
Agree with all of your assessments but this one. It should be TBD.
If we don’t make the playoffs which is very likely, don’t they get like two 2nds?
Graham on his contract for two 2nds is excellent value to me.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 7:52 pm to TigerinATL
It would take a really good player for me to want to come off jonas. Guy fits the culture they are building and I think he’s better than a lot of teams third best player. Zion will dominate the ball just like prime Lebron.
Posted on 11/27/21 at 9:11 pm to Sharp85
JV is the best player on the team with Zion out.
He's better than BI, if you ask me.
I really don't wanna trade him unless we're getting a very valuable piece for the future.
He's better than BI, if you ask me.
I really don't wanna trade him unless we're getting a very valuable piece for the future.
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