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re: Goran Dragic Point/Counter-Point
Posted on 5/15/12 at 7:12 pm to MinnesotaTiger
Posted on 5/15/12 at 7:12 pm to MinnesotaTiger
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You keep Ariza, Jack, and Kaman as starters with the 3 young pups and this is a 7th or 8th seed (or VERY high lottery) so that pick is moot
Ummm no. There is no way in hell. Those guys have combined for about 23 seasons in the league and have combined to make one apperance as a starter in that many seasons. You are showing your arse with that statement. Sorry.
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It's essentially the Saints' logic for picking Mark Ingram - best RB in the draft this year with the following year's first round pick.
Way to strengthen your point with one of the worst moves Payton has ever made. What is Ingram, the 4th string RB now for the Saints? That move was a stroke of brillance.
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I would argue that Quail Man using his irrational hatred of me to nominate a pretty interesting idea/post of mine as the "worst post of the year" is WAY more out of line.
He didn't call you out personally. Just said your post was dumb. People tell me that all the time. I come up with stupid crap as well. Defend it. Maybe you'll change somebodys mind.
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Posted on 5/15/12 at 7:15 pm to MinnesotaTiger
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It's essentially the Saints' logic for picking Mark Ingram - best RB in the draft this year with the following year's first round pick.
you cannot compare football draft strategies with basketball
7>2 and also basketball players bust more often
Posted on 5/15/12 at 7:16 pm to Fearthehat0307
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Posted on 5/15/12 at 7:22 pm to RonFNSwanson
quote:what the hell i just had flashbacks
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Posted on 5/15/12 at 7:30 pm to MinnesotaTiger
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It's essentially the Saints logic
Not quite. Saints were going all in for a Super Bowl. Hornets are going all in for a team that has a better chance of being in the lottery than in the playoffs.
Posted on 5/15/12 at 7:41 pm to Fearthehat0307
Posted on 5/15/12 at 7:44 pm to corndeaux
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I like Dragic, but don't see how he fits in NO. Unless they move Jack, there isn't much reason to bring in a 3rd pg for $6-8 million.
Jack is in the last year of his deal next year.
Bring in Dragic and let Jack walk.
Both of these guys can play on the floor at the same time.
Posted on 5/15/12 at 7:53 pm to TigerinATL
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is that his numbers were inflated by a hot streak
my counter, to the counter point:
at what point does is stop becoming a hot streak?
he started 28 games and maintained those numbers.
He may not have been that productive coming off the bench, BUT... he always had stretches where he proved he can shoot from deep, as well as get to the rim.
is he a true 49% shooter from the field? Eh, maybe not. May be a guy that shoots closer to 45%. Can he duplicate 37% from 3? Yea, i'd say that he very well can. He is a career 36% shooter from 3.
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Dragic has been in the league for 4 seasons now – and this stretch was way above the norm for him
Some players just need minutes. He wouldn't be the first guy to post better numbers with increased minutes than he did as a reserve.
He's never played consistent minutes up until this year. And he certainly had never consistently started up until this past year.
Posted on 5/15/12 at 7:55 pm to Lester Earl
How much per year do you think Dragic commands?
Posted on 5/15/12 at 7:59 pm to BeeFense5
i think the 8-10 mil is pretty accurate. He's going to be sought after. We may even be out-priced in the end.
Posted on 5/15/12 at 8:08 pm to Lester Earl
I would be all for getting him here. I think 8-9 mil per year would be the ceiling the Hornets should throw at him though. Would like to pull him in. We could probably use Jack as a good expiring to dump, I think his contract is around 6 mil next season. Possibly pair him with someone else in a swap. I like Jack but at this point moving forward, the Hornets would be smart to get a young guy like Drajic.
Posted on 5/15/12 at 8:21 pm to BeeFense5
and imo Jack's breakout season was more of a fluke than Dragic's.
Posted on 5/15/12 at 8:34 pm to Lester Earl
I don't think Dragic/Jack will work. They both need the ball in their hands.
Regardless of that, you think they should use all of their cap space on another pg as insurance for a guy that will walk at the end of the season? That seems a bit excessive.
Like I said, it doesn't make much sense to go after him if Jack will still be here, even if its just for one year. They move Jack or have a deal for Jack, then go for Dragic.
Regardless of that, you think they should use all of their cap space on another pg as insurance for a guy that will walk at the end of the season? That seems a bit excessive.
Like I said, it doesn't make much sense to go after him if Jack will still be here, even if its just for one year. They move Jack or have a deal for Jack, then go for Dragic.
Posted on 5/15/12 at 8:43 pm to corndeaux
Jack doesnt need the ball in his hands. He's played off guard plenty in his career.
if you don't plan on re-signing Jack, it's not insurance. You let him walk. Dragic is PG of future.
some of you really over value Jack.
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Regardless of that, you think they should use all of their cap space on another pg as insurance for a guy that will walk at the end of the season? That seems a bit excessive.
if you don't plan on re-signing Jack, it's not insurance. You let him walk. Dragic is PG of future.
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Like I said, it doesn't make much sense to go after him if Jack will still be here, even if its just for one year. They move Jack or have a deal for Jack, then go for Dragic.
some of you really over value Jack.
Posted on 5/15/12 at 9:10 pm to Lester Earl
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Jack doesnt need the ball in his hands. He's played off guard plenty in his career.
And he's not as effective without the ball
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if you don't plan on re-signing Jack, it's not insurance. You let him walk. Dragic is PG of future.
You spend $10 million now to reserve the pg of the future who may not turn out to be the pg of the future? You accomplish 2 things:
1) Blow all the cap space for next season on one player who still makes this team an 8 seed at best
2) Committ 3 more years and $30 million for a guy who might be a bust.
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some of you really over value Jack
I do not over value Jack at all. I thought they should have tried to move him this past year. All for upgrading, but spending $10million per for Dragic with Jack still on board is not only risky but also unnecessary.
Some of you really over value the quick fix flavor of the month
Posted on 5/15/12 at 9:13 pm to corndeaux
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Some of you really over value the quick fix flavor of the month
Yup.
Posted on 5/15/12 at 9:25 pm to corndeaux
quote:I agree
All for upgrading, but spending $10million per for Dragic with Jack still on board is not only risky but also unnecessary.
Even without Jack I wouldnt spend $10 million on Dragic
Posted on 5/15/12 at 9:26 pm to corndeaux
so y'all are going on record Dragic is a bust?
noted.
You're plan for our future at PG is what, exactly?
Just keep putting it off, hoping we might land someone in the draft?
How do you want to spend any money we may have?
just keep saving it, huh?
noted.
You're plan for our future at PG is what, exactly?
Just keep putting it off, hoping we might land someone in the draft?
How do you want to spend any money we may have?
just keep saving it, huh?
Posted on 5/15/12 at 9:32 pm to Lester Earl
Not a bust, just going to be overpaid in a week FA class.
What's our plan for every position? Draft, FA, blah blah blah. Tell me, if our PG is so bad, would we settle for the second best PG in the FA market? Felton maybe? Or DJ Augustine? No? Then Dragic is just the flavor of the month. No need to throw money at something we don't really need. SF, C and PF are all much weaker than PG at the moment.
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You're plan for our future at PG is what, exactly?
What's our plan for every position? Draft, FA, blah blah blah. Tell me, if our PG is so bad, would we settle for the second best PG in the FA market? Felton maybe? Or DJ Augustine? No? Then Dragic is just the flavor of the month. No need to throw money at something we don't really need. SF, C and PF are all much weaker than PG at the moment.This post was edited on 5/15/12 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 5/15/12 at 9:39 pm to Mr. West
when next season rolls around, and Jack will be becoming a free agent, we're gonna need to have another point guard...really do not want to pay jack starter money at 30 years old. he had a great season, but i don't think he's a great starter. his numbers are inflated cause of our terrible season imo.
if we aren't gonna have a great PG like paul or rondo, i want a PG that can really knock down the 3. Dragic can.
if we aren't gonna have a great PG like paul or rondo, i want a PG that can really knock down the 3. Dragic can.
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