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re: Give me your top 3 that you want for Pels at 8 spot
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:42 pm to 3PieceSpicy
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:42 pm to 3PieceSpicy
I read Duren is just an uber athletic player. He doesn't have basketball IQ
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:54 pm to Kerchek
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Sharpe is about to go from his most recent Highschool game being over a year ago to NBA level competition
Yeah, Sharpe will be very raw for his rookie and sophomore seasons in NBA but if he has very good talent, he will succeed for his 3th season.
He's tier 2 in all the cases for me.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:07 am to Kerchek
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What's the difference between Sharpe and Hardy? Hardy looked ALL-WORLD in highschool as well.
Look what happened when he played against professional grown arse men equally as athletic. (now a fringe first kinda guy)
Go look at Emoni Bates. ALL-WORLD coming out of highschool. His freshman year at Memphis was so bad he wouldn't get drafted.
Now do Banchero, Chet & jabari smith
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:01 am to Lester Earl
quote:emoni was ultra hyped up around his sophomore year in high school and then slowly started to lose his shine. Measurements were pretty bad with a negative wingspan, vert and other combine tests were also pretty bad, and he really never improved as he got older. I think the red flags were there before he started playing in Memphis and his hype was declining. Then he laid an egg in Memphis.
Go look at Emoni Bates. ALL-WORLD coming out of highschool.
Hardy is a better example of what you’re trying to debate about but at the same time he supposedly is shorter than his listed height. KOC was saying how he saw him in person and he looked closer to 6’1 than 6’4. He also apparently didn’t get measured for the combine which probably confirms KOCs claims. He’s never shown a ton of athleticism/burst, not really a great passer while being ball dominant, and really just had a good jumper and relied on that heavily. His handle was never very impressive either.
But with Sharpe the athleticism is obviously there already. He can fly. He has a fantastic wingspan and decent enough height for his position. Shooting stroke looks good. Outside of the obvious with lack of exposure in a more competitive setting outside of high school you see why scouts would have more confidence in him than the other two players you mentioned. Even before they played D1 and GLeague. I will say Sharpe is very athletic vertically but at least in these practice settings looks very casual and kinda slow with the ball in his hand.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 1:22 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:01 am to Chad504boy
1. Duren. This is an easy pick for me. You get an uber athletic high potential guy that you dont have to rush into the lineup. Odds are whoever is available at this spot won’t play much next year. We are going to take a big leap and a rookie generally won’t play for more than 15 minutes a game on these kind of teams. He will give you 4 years on a controllable contract to replace all of Jaxson Hayes production. With this pick we won’t be enticed to give Jaxson 12 a year after I think his role has shown to be very limited in big time minutes. You get your future 5 for when Jonas runs out and the opportunity to flip Jaxson into someone who will be much more productive than any rookie will be on the wing next year.
2. Dyson Daniels. This is a guy that is long athletic and not afraid to make plays. Look at the most recent crop of superstars, all guys of this same mold. He will be a solid defender from day one and going forward wont be a guy that you will ever have to hide on the defensive end, which is something that will be huge with CJ only getting older and depending on Zion effort. He could eventually fit in a closing lineup perfectly with his size and playmaking ability, and from what I’ve seen a high chance of development of a jump shot.
3. Benedict Mathurin. This was the hardest spot for me. I suspect Sharpe and Ivey will be drafted before one of them may be here so they would be in this spot. Mathurin has the athleticism and stroke to be a very solid player for a lot of years as a floor. The only problem is I dont see much upside. He has tight hips which I think will limit his defensive potential which comes on top of a bad showing on tape for much of the season. Not trying to dog him because I think he e should be a guy that could fit solidly into the 6-8th man for a number of years at his floor. Ceiling wise there is still some juice saying has only been playing ball for a couple of years now and we have seen late developers with a similar body type before. Overall, I think he is a Ben Mcclemore floor - Oladipe Ceiling type of player.
Who the pick will be?! It just depends on what Griff sees as a need for this team going forward. I think not only this year but going forward picking a big man gives us the best opportunity-cost not only this year but going forward both production wise and salary cap wise which we will be trapped by in a couple years
2. Dyson Daniels. This is a guy that is long athletic and not afraid to make plays. Look at the most recent crop of superstars, all guys of this same mold. He will be a solid defender from day one and going forward wont be a guy that you will ever have to hide on the defensive end, which is something that will be huge with CJ only getting older and depending on Zion effort. He could eventually fit in a closing lineup perfectly with his size and playmaking ability, and from what I’ve seen a high chance of development of a jump shot.
3. Benedict Mathurin. This was the hardest spot for me. I suspect Sharpe and Ivey will be drafted before one of them may be here so they would be in this spot. Mathurin has the athleticism and stroke to be a very solid player for a lot of years as a floor. The only problem is I dont see much upside. He has tight hips which I think will limit his defensive potential which comes on top of a bad showing on tape for much of the season. Not trying to dog him because I think he e should be a guy that could fit solidly into the 6-8th man for a number of years at his floor. Ceiling wise there is still some juice saying has only been playing ball for a couple of years now and we have seen late developers with a similar body type before. Overall, I think he is a Ben Mcclemore floor - Oladipe Ceiling type of player.
Who the pick will be?! It just depends on what Griff sees as a need for this team going forward. I think not only this year but going forward picking a big man gives us the best opportunity-cost not only this year but going forward both production wise and salary cap wise which we will be trapped by in a couple years
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:34 am to Chad504boy
At this point after watching some tape and reading about him I’m going to be disappointed if it’s anyone but Mathurin.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:34 am to Tmcnair96
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Isn't jaxson and hayes the same person?
Yes...that was the joke. Look at the statement that I quoted, I was just repeating what the poster said
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:40 am to higgsBoson
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The Duren people won’t like this but I totally agree. Rim protectors are useful for certain matchups but their benefit fades in the playoffs. Most of the best teams do it with solid wings. There are only a handful of elite big men and it doesn’t make sense to use prime assets on a niche role.
I don't put a whole lot of value on traditional bigs, drafting one high puts you in an almost no win situation. Either they don't pan out and you wasted a pick, or they do pan out and you have to invest a large portion of your cap to a position that is devalued in the most important games.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 8:54 am to Chad504boy
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 9:37 am to Epic Cajun
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I don't put a whole lot of value on traditional bigs, drafting one high puts you in an almost no win situation. Either they don't pan out and you wasted a pick, or they do pan out and you have to invest a large portion of your cap to a position that is devalued in the most important games.
Exactly. It’s just not worth it. These players also aren’t valued in the league which means you can get one if you need it reasonably cheaply. Try to find shooters or wing defenders or facilitators without overpaying.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:07 am to higgsBoson
Jalen Duren is not really what I’d call a traditional big. Y’all are acting like he is Zaza Pachulia
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:12 am to 50_Tiger
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:13 am to Lester Earl
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Jalen Duren is not really what I’d call a traditional big. Y’all are acting like he is Zaza Pachulia
The point is that what does Duren provide that’s more valuable than Sochan or Daniels on the defensive end? Wing defenders are just more important than post defenders when you get into the playoffs. The kind of upside you’d need on the offensive end as a center would be huge. And the best bigs Embiid and Jokic can’t get out of the second round. There’s a reason for that. As more teams play 4 or even 5 wings at crunch time, what value does a post defender have over a wing defender?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:16 am to Lester Earl
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Jalen Duren is not really what I’d call a traditional big. Y’all are acting like he is Zaza Pachulia
Right, I get not liking him or a big in general but be honest about his game and potential. He may bust, but if he hits its Bam-lite that’s not something you can’t just find on the street.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 10:17 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:37 am to Sammobile
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Jalen Duren Highest ceiling of our group of prospects imo. Reminds me so much that freak athlete Bam. Helps not as much early as some others but I care about getting the best player in this draft from our spot on.
Johnny Davis I think Willie will love him. Gives a shite rating at a 10. To be your teams only offense creator well also being the defender he is. Love that he has the ability to handle the ball, cause for all the dribbling drills you can do once drafted it’s something for a young player to already be able to handle the rock and finish at the rim and middle range. Love his game. Like Josh Hart with better offense.
Jeremy Sochan Love his potential to be lockdown defender. Think a more front court version of Herb. Euro so his a willing passer. He also rates high on the give a shite meter. I see him being a super glue role player like a Draymond if he hits.
I’m going to start this off by saying that I do like Johnny Davis and have hope that he will be more like the freshman year 3 point shooter than the sophomore. Also, I’m not trying to say you’re wrong, I just have a different opinion. None of us know shite.
That being said, I don’t see any metric that convinces me we should Davis over Mathurin. They are pretty comparable, both are 2 year guys, both are big guards, both are seemingly decent facilitators (both around 3.5 assists per 40 min). Defensively Davis is a bit quicker, might have a bit more instinct, Mathurin is a bit longer. That’s probably an overall tick on the Davis side, but I think both have a decently high defensive ceiling. Where I see a bigger different is in shooting. Davis makes 43.1% of his 2’s and 32.5% of his threes. Mathurin makes 52.1% of his 2’s and 38.3% of his 3’s. Neither is the athletic freak-type prospect, so I’d rather the safer of the safe bets
Duren at 8 seems like a leap. If we’re doing that we should trade down.
Sochan, I get the fascination. He’s big, athletic and and can defend. I just feel like the defensive identity of the team is solid and we could use offense more than defense. It’s going to be tough for a defensive specialist to get minutes if Zion is indeed healthy. The only way I can see Sochan being a good fit with the current roster is if we move Jaxson Hayes. He’s not going to take minutes away from Zion, BI, Herb, Trey, Jonas or BI anytime in the next several seasons unless he can learn to shoot the ball.
Last thing, I don’t get why we aren’t talking about Keegan Murray more. I’ve seen him variously going anywhere from 5-8 in almost every mock I’ve seen. If he’s there at 8, I feel like we’d be foolish not to take him
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 10:39 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:39 am to higgsBoson
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And the best bigs Embiid and Jokic can’t get out of the second round
I mean Jokic has made it to the conf finals bubba
And I mean that’s not really about them & more of a coincidence
Donovan Mitchell can’t get out of the 2nd rd either. Or ja morant. Or whomever you want to create a fake talking point around
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:40 am to SCLSUMuddogs
quote:I imagine most people have assumed he won’t be there at 8 and haven’t thought about him.
Last thing, I don’t get why we aren’t talking about Keegan Murray more.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:43 am to SCLSUMuddogs
For anyone unfamiliar with Murray last year
All American
All Big 10
Big 10 Tournament MVP
23PPG/9RPG, 1.3 Steals, 1.9 Blocks; 40% from deep; 62% on 2's; 75% FT; ORTG 134.6/ DRTG 96.8. His PER was 37.8
All American
All Big 10
Big 10 Tournament MVP
23PPG/9RPG, 1.3 Steals, 1.9 Blocks; 40% from deep; 62% on 2's; 75% FT; ORTG 134.6/ DRTG 96.8. His PER was 37.8
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:45 am to Macintosh
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I imagine most people have assumed he won’t be there at 8 and haven’t thought about him.
You might be right. I just wouldn't think we'd see Sharpe and Ivey this often if that were the case; because they wont be there.
If we're going off the general consensus, then the first 6 should be some mixture of Smith, Chet, Paulo, Ivey, Sharpe, and Murray.
So, going by general consensus we would pick from one of Mathurin, Agbaji, Sochan, Griffin, Davis, Daniels and Eason and Jovic
If that is indeed the case, here's my order of who I'd like
Mathurin
Griffin
Agbaji
Davis
Sochan
Daniels
Eason
Jovic
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 10:56 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:50 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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Last thing, I don’t get why we aren’t talking about Keegan Murray more. I’ve seen him variously going anywhere from 5-8 in almost every mock I’ve seen. If he’s there at 8, I feel like we’d be foolish not to take him
I dont' expect him to be there at 8, which is why many don't talk about him, same as Ivey.
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