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re: Give me your top 3 that you want for Pels at 8 spot
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:38 pm to Kerchek
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:38 pm to Kerchek
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Give me DEFENSE please!
One of Daniels or Sochan please
I’m with ya, we had this discussion going in the bottom 3 thread, talking about Kuminga:
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A guy like Ziaire Williams fits this as well. Memphis took a lot of crap for taking him as early as they did, but he played 17 mpg for them.
And another thing, neither are shooting from the outside. Kuminga at 23% from three and I think Williams was at 31%. But both have good size, defend, and are multi-faceted players on both ends. All the more reason to take Sochan or Daniels.
I’ve consistently been saying for a few weeks now, there is a common trend among these teams that were contending for a title, and it’s that they all had/have 6-8 high level defenders. We have what? 2? Maybe 3? We have to add more high quality defenders. It’s this teams biggest need.
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 10:39 pm
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Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:51 pm to Lester Earl
Since we are talking about a big 6’10” fellow
And brether, these are just the big men. Who happened to be lottery picks. This isn’t even a deep dive. And some of the more recent ones haven’t even had time to develop yet
Anthony Davis
Meyers Leonard
Alex Len
Issac okoro
Julius Randle
Trey lyles
Jaxson Hayes
Mo Bamba
Tj warren
Karl Anthony towns
Myles Turner
And brether, these are just the big men. Who happened to be lottery picks. This isn’t even a deep dive. And some of the more recent ones haven’t even had time to develop yet
Anthony Davis
Meyers Leonard
Alex Len
Issac okoro
Julius Randle
Trey lyles
Jaxson Hayes
Mo Bamba
Tj warren
Karl Anthony towns
Myles Turner
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:57 pm to Lester Earl
The thing is, especially for 1 & done’s, they just don’t have the sample size & reps to be 3pt threats at a young age.
Especially if they are big men. They mature as post players through adolescence & high school because that is what is best for the team.
Then you have ancillary pieces on good college teams (like Sochan) that have plenty of scoring & shooting to where they just aren’t needed to do that.
Don’t even like the FT correlation at that point either. I will just very loosely write that in pencil at this stage of a guys career
Especially if they are big men. They mature as post players through adolescence & high school because that is what is best for the team.
Then you have ancillary pieces on good college teams (like Sochan) that have plenty of scoring & shooting to where they just aren’t needed to do that.
Don’t even like the FT correlation at that point either. I will just very loosely write that in pencil at this stage of a guys career
Posted on 5/29/22 at 10:58 pm to CP3forMVP
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Give me DEFENSE please!
At the risk of being called an idiot...as I have been called in the past...I'll just say, given our current makeup...IF we couldn't land Chet...Sochan might well be my 2nd choice. The NBA is changing folks.
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:03 pm to Lester Earl
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Since we are talking about a big 6’10” fellow And brether, these are just the big men. Who happened to be lottery picks. This isn’t even a deep dive. And some of the more recent ones haven’t even had time to develop yet
My list was just guards/wings, I should have specified that. But regardless, 3 of the first 4 guys you listed do not meet the criteria. Aren’t even close to meeting it in all honesty, though I do think Okoro could get there, though his attempt rate would have to be way higher. This list isn’t for guys who only shoot the ball when they’re wide open. Actual volume from three. Sochan himself was an average catch and shoot guy this year.
This post was edited on 5/29/22 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:13 pm to Lester Earl
And to go a little further:
Julius Randle - no
Trey lyles - no
Jaxson Hayes - no (Jax is a consistent threat from 3? Come on man)
Mo Bamba - jury is out
Tj warren - jury is out
Karl Anthony towns - yes
Myles Turner - no
Julius Randle - no
Trey lyles - no
Jaxson Hayes - no (Jax is a consistent threat from 3? Come on man)
Mo Bamba - jury is out
Tj warren - jury is out
Karl Anthony towns - yes
Myles Turner - no
Posted on 5/29/22 at 11:24 pm to CP3forMVP
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Julius Randle - no
34% the last 4 years (16% college)
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Jaxson Hayes - no (Jax is a consistent threat from 3? Come on man)
Didn’t even attempt a 3pt shot in college bro lmao.
He’s shot 71 the past two seasons at 36%
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Trey lyles - no
35% last 3 seasons (13% college 3pt shooter)
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Myles Turner no
35% career nba shooter on 1,100 attempts (27% college)
You are nitpicking because you are all together wrong. Or your definition of improvement is just wack.
Sochan has a better shot at being a league average 3pt shooter than he does guarding Nba PGs lol
Posted on 5/30/22 at 8:12 am to Lester Earl
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Sochan has a better shot at being a league average 3pt shooter than he does guarding Nba PGs lol
I agree Sochan can become a league average 3 point shooter for a big man. His shot doesn't look bad at all, but like you said he didn't really work on it because the team didn't need it from him.
But on the flip side, the dude can absolutely guard 1-5. He can do it well in fact. I think he can be a Draymond type defender and I think this team would benefit from that, more than a 3-point specialist.
Celtics just made it to the finals by having 5 guys starting that are all switchable. Switchable defenders are the elite defenders now. Sochan looks like he will be an all-defense level defender. You need defenders like him for the playoffs.
I would take him or Daniels at 8, but I'd also by happy with Mathurin or Davis. Just don't get a poor defender like Griffin.
Posted on 5/30/22 at 8:49 am to Lester Earl
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You are nitpicking because you are all together wrong. Or your definition of improvement is just wack.
I’m not nitpicking, you’re the one who picked these guys, not me. Regardless, the point of an actual consistent NBA threat from three is just completely over your head. You consider Jaxson Hayes, a guy that hasn’t even attempted 80 career threes a consistent threat from three. I legit think you’re the only person on this board who would say Jax can be relied on from three.
The NBA average from three the last three seasons is 36% (35.966666), Myles Turner has shot better than that once in 7 career seasons, and he was really close in 2017-2018 when he made an astounding 56 threes. The last three seasons he’s made 33.8%. Again, he doesn’t have the volume and he doesn’t have the percentages.
Julius Randle…34%, 28%, 41%, 31%…the only thing he’s consistent at is being inconsistent. Again, doesn’t fit the criteria. Consistent threat from three. One season here and there doesn’t make you consistent, it makes you inconsistent. Hell take out the one fluke season from three (where everything went right for the Knicks) and he’s awful from three. Like I said originally, not even close to fitting the criteria.
Lyles, another guy that has never been CONSISTENT from three. Has never put together back to back average seasons from three, much less strung 3, 4, or 5 seasons together like actual consistent high level three point threats do. Like Randle, he’s consistent at being inconsistent.
So on and so on. This is the point.
Posted on 5/30/22 at 9:17 am to CP3forMVP
Regardless, I don’t think Sochan even needs to get to 36% to be effective, I think 34-35% would be fine. Horford shot 34% this year and definitely wasn’t a negative.
Posted on 5/30/22 at 9:49 am to Epic Cajun
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Regardless, I don’t think Sochan even needs to get to 36% to be effective, I think 34-35% would be fine. Horford shot 34% this year and definitely wasn’t a negative.
A little birdie told me NBA folks are totally content if they have a legit "stretch 5" than can shoot 34% from 3, assuming he is solidly "switchable" on D. Just quite a bit of hidden value in that kind of player. Horford actually had a bad year for him at 33.6%...as he's a career 36% 3-pt shooter and anything over 34% is gravy. That 34% is ONLY for the "Horford type 5s", other positions will need to shoot better than that, of course.
Posted on 5/30/22 at 9:56 am to Dinky Mulberry
I think you can also expect that between Zion/BI/CJ whoever the stretch 5 is will be getting most of their shots wide open. I'm expecting JV to break 40% next year because when he has the time to get set, check the wind and line up the shot, he usually shoots pretty well. If he's rushed even a bit, it's probably a miss.
Posted on 5/30/22 at 10:01 am to TigerinATL
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I'm expecting JV to break 40% next year
COULD do it. My problem with Val is strictly on the defensive end, especially come playoff time.
Posted on 5/30/22 at 10:14 am to Dinky Mulberry
When he was on offensively he was a net positive. When he wasn't you need someone else you can go to. But the basic point wasn't about JV, but how whoever is the "center" should get wide open 3s all day.
Posted on 5/30/22 at 10:21 am to Epic Cajun
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Regardless, I don’t think Sochan even needs to get to 36% to be effective, I think 34-35% would be fine. Horford shot 34% this year and definitely wasn’t a negative.
I would agree. Though if he could develop further it would pay huge dividends. We have had this conversation for years, but teams just don’t care if Myles Turner and Al Horford take threes. That’s a shot they’ll happily give up, both of their attempts were open to wide open nearly 50% of the time this season, and neither hit them at a good clip in regards to being allowed to take them. Those kinds of stretch bigs don’t provide the spacing people think they do, and they surely don’t provide gravity.
JV was actual pretty respected from there, interestingly enough. Only 16% of his threes were open or wide open.
This post was edited on 5/30/22 at 10:30 am
Posted on 5/30/22 at 10:42 am to Dinky Mulberry
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I'm expecting JV to break 40% next year
Nope, lottery picks don’t ever improve as shooters
Posted on 5/30/22 at 10:56 am to CP3forMVP
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JV was actual pretty respected from there, interestingly enough. Only 16% of his threes were open or wide open.
I think the explanation is he takes forever to shoot giving the defense plenty of time to recover. But he shot 38.6% on the ones where he was wide open and they just left him alone. I expect he'll get a lot of those shots next year.
This post was edited on 5/30/22 at 10:57 am
Posted on 5/30/22 at 12:57 pm to Epic Cajun
This issue with Sochan goes beyond the numbers with shooting... shot needs a ton of mechanical work. 2-3 years of it most likely. Not sure how he gets on court without being able to space the floor at all when you are already one of the worst shooting teams in the league.
Posted on 5/30/22 at 1:46 pm to CP3forMVP
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JV was actual pretty respected from there, interestingly enough. Only 16% of his threes were open or wide open.
No big deal but.... 98% of Val's threes were either "open" (16% were with closest defender 4-6' away) or "wide open" (82% were with closest defender over 6' away)
Posted on 5/30/22 at 2:08 pm to Coach D
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This issue with Sochan goes beyond the numbers with shooting... shot needs a ton of mechanical work.
Agree to disagree.
I’m sure you would’ve said the same thing about Herb that off-season.
This post was edited on 5/30/22 at 2:09 pm
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