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re: Expected roster moves for next year?
Posted on 4/8/18 at 9:53 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 4/8/18 at 9:53 am to Lester Earl
History of older players not recovering?
Posted on 4/8/18 at 9:58 am to VOR
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Boogie presents a big and not so easy decision
there is no decision to be made, the die is cast.
cousins will be re-signed and the pels will be above the tax line at the start
the risk is substantial and possible catastrophe looms, but here we are.
to me, there are two ways this could go:
1) run it back again and pray for rain
2) make a move...offer moore/mirotic/ajinca/1st/whatever and try to snag somebody like george or kemba
Posted on 4/8/18 at 9:58 am to Epic Cajun
Elton brand wasn’t old & it has been a death wish for most big men
Posted on 4/8/18 at 9:59 am to Lester Earl
Elton Brand was also 11 years ago.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:05 am to Fun Bunch
Are you one of those people that think there have been medical break throughs with this surgery?
Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:06 am to Fun Bunch
Wes Matthews was a few years ago & is much smaller & dropped off a cliff
Anderson Varejao too
Rudy Gay can’t play more than 20mpg when he’s been needed for about 35mpg with the injuries they’ve had
Anderson Varejao too
Rudy Gay can’t play more than 20mpg when he’s been needed for about 35mpg with the injuries they’ve had
This post was edited on 4/8/18 at 10:08 am
Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:09 am to Lester Earl
Dude, you know as little as all of us how boogie will recover. Will he be Elton Brand? Maybe. Will he be Dominique Wilkins? Maybe. He won't be as explosive, but boogie isn't your typical big man. He can shoot, use post moves, and pass the ball well. He will be a serviceable player regardless of the outcome imo.
ETA: either way, the pelicans pretty much have one option. Even if you don't re-sign Boogie we won't have the room for any major pieces
ETA: either way, the pelicans pretty much have one option. Even if you don't re-sign Boogie we won't have the room for any major pieces
This post was edited on 4/8/18 at 10:12 am
Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:12 am to Lsujacket66
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that’s also cheaper and allows us to spend $ elsewhere
No it doesn't. You aren't resigning Cousins with cap space, you're resigning him with an exception. The cap system in the NBA is different and works like this:
Next year's projected salary cap is $101 million, so any money you spend between $0 - $101 million is "cap space". To spend more than $101 million requires an exception to the cap.
The Pels have $96 million committed to just
AD
Jrue
Hill
Mirotic
Moore
Ajinca
Diallo
Miller
Jackson
That means that before resigning anyone they only have $5 million in projected cap space. Even if you let Cousins and Rondo walk and pay a 2nd and cash to dump Ajinca, you'll have $10 million in cap space and a $4.5 million exception to replace Boogie, Rondo, and Clark. That's assuming the minimum is enough to bring back/replace guys like Okafor/Crawford. The bottom line is you're basically in the same tight spot you were in last year with not much useful money to add talent except you're at a starting point that doesn't include Cousins.
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What do we do about Rondo?
The Pels have an exception called Non Bird Rights they can use on him to give a 20% raise ($4 million). I assume that's what they'll offer and based on things he's said I think he'll accept it. The real problem with Rondo is that he's been a net negative on the court most of the year because his defense is so bad. They really need to add another player, whether it's a guard or wing, that can help with the ball handling and offense initiating duties to keep the pressure off Jrue without tanking the defense.
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Any chance to dump Solomon Hill?
Before we traded Asik I'd have said no, 2/$24 remaining would be too much to dump and get a useful player back. But teams are holding onto 1sts so tightly now that they are over valued as trade pieces. But that kind of move isn't going to happen until closer to the trade deadline most likely.
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Any other moves we could realistically make?
Paul George forcing a trade is supposedly the team's dream offseason.
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@SilverAndMac 2 hours ago
Since you guys are all on a high right now...I will add to it. The internal 'dream offseason' is Paul George does what CP3 did last year and threatens to leave for nothing if they don't trade him to Pels.
Thunder accept a package of Niko and Moore. Maybe a pick or Jackson too.
The team thinks Boogie could recruit PG13 after he commits to coming back. If AD and the Pels have a strong showing in the postseason, I don't think it's a crazy dream. 2-5 percent chance. THAT would be a real contender. Moreso than Russ and Melo or LA if LeBron doesn't go there
Without a disgruntled star forcing his way to the Pels it will be very difficult for the Pels to do much more besides bring back who they have now and maybe add a James Ennis level player to the mix. Any significant addition would have to wait for January/February like happened with Mirotic.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:16 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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He will be a serviceable player regardless of the outcome imo.
Right I don’t disagree, but he won’t be able to guard & he will be paid like a player expected to get 25/13/5. That is the problem. You can’t pay a role player that kind of money.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:27 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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Dude, you know as little as all of us how boogie will recover.
Well, we know for every Dominque, there are 20 guys who are never close to being the same. The optimism makes no sense for a logic stand point
Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:28 am to Lester Earl
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Love the optimism but history tells us this is false.
Elton Brand went from a 20/10 guy to a 13/8 guy. A similar decline from Cousins' 25/13 would be 16/10. Is 16/10 not an above average player? I am optimistic and think he can get closer to 20/10, but Cousins will need to make some changes to his game. He won't get to the line as much and he'll have to beat double teams with passes to open teammates instead of his own physical superiority. But he's a good passer and this offense looks beautiful when the other players actually move, so I think it's a system a lesser Cousins can excel in because it doesn't need him to be an ISO scorer if everyone else plays their part.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:29 am to Lester Earl
Your alternative is to do essentially nothing.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:33 am to Fun Bunch
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Your alternative is to do essentially nothing.
Like cgrand said, the die is cast. We just have to close our eyes and hope for the best. It will either work out or in a year or 2 we'll be blowing up the AD/DC era hoping Boston still has a stable of assets to trade for AD. As dicey as the Cousins injury has made things, this version of the Pels is still more likely to be able to keep AD around for his next contract than the path the Pels were on pre Boogie trade.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:41 am to Fun Bunch
Well bunchie tell me why it so dire to bring him back?
We’v proven To be able to win with out him. We invested in Mirotic & have him for another year. Diallo has flashed. I’d rather roll with these guys for another year as opposed to re-signing Cousins long term because you feel “we have to do something”
We’v proven To be able to win with out him. We invested in Mirotic & have him for another year. Diallo has flashed. I’d rather roll with these guys for another year as opposed to re-signing Cousins long term because you feel “we have to do something”
Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:51 am to Lester Earl
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I’d rather roll with these guys for another year as opposed to re-signing Cousins long term because you feel “we have to do something”
they WILL be "rolling with those guys" for another year regardless. not sure what your point is, as you seem to willfully be ignoring the fact as illustrated to you several times that there is virtually no difference to the roster with or without cousins on it
Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:54 am to cgrand
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to you several times that there is virtually no difference to the roster with or without cousins on it
do you think we are signing Cousins to a 1 year deal? The roster isn't different, the money is, long term. What is so hard to understand about that?
Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:56 am to Lester Earl
It’ll probably be a 2+1 which isn’t bad and movable after a year.
It’s add Cousins or make no appreciable roster moves.
The Asik decision was similar in some small ways and a disaster, but I don’t think they are analogous situations.
It’s add Cousins or make no appreciable roster moves.
The Asik decision was similar in some small ways and a disaster, but I don’t think they are analogous situations.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:59 am to Lsujacket66
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and I’m not sure a Davis/Mirotic combo isn’t a better fit going forward
Stopped reading.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 11:00 am to Fun Bunch
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It’ll probably be a 2+1 which isn’t bad and movable after a year.
i feel like it will be longer, but if its short Im ok with it.
I dont think he's going to give us any type of deal though. He is going to want to maximize earnings coming off injury, meaning years+max money. And if we dont give it, someone else will
Posted on 4/8/18 at 11:01 am to Lester Earl
if it doesnt work in two years it doesnt matter.
davis will be in a position to leave, and that's that
personally i think the odds are better that cousins will not return to form than those that he will, but its clear for the next two years at least, its a bet they are going to take
a reasonable compromise in my view is a 4 year deal with an option (either PO or TO) in the 4th year. that option will make it much easier to move him if needed
davis will be in a position to leave, and that's that
personally i think the odds are better that cousins will not return to form than those that he will, but its clear for the next two years at least, its a bet they are going to take
a reasonable compromise in my view is a 4 year deal with an option (either PO or TO) in the 4th year. that option will make it much easier to move him if needed
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