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re: Dyson Daniels Favorite To Win Most Improved
Posted on 4/4/25 at 9:17 am to htran90
Posted on 4/4/25 at 9:17 am to htran90
quote:4 non volume 3pt shooters definitely does not work.
I would play Dyson with herb right now. There's enough offense with murphy/Williamson/McCollum to be good enough. The answer remains you need a center who could score in more ways than a lob but works.
I'll die on the hill that the trade was still the right thing to do.
Sure, if you told us Dejounte would break his hand 30 minutes into game 1 and we'd also be without almost our entire rotation the 1st 20 games, and then he'd tear his achilles later in the season...obviously you would not make that trade.
But adding Dejounte to the team should have given us a path to a top 6 seed, we just can't ever stay healthy.
But also,if we assume the unicorn that is health for this team, Dyson just would never have a path to minutes and the role he had with the Hawks with this Pels team, and in fairness, he would not have deserved it at the time, so it's not like we would have been wrong to not give him minutes.
There was just no path to 30 minutes in the rotation with Dyson on this team we put together.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 9:18 am
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 9:24 am to shel311
quote:
4 non volume 3pt shooters definitely does not work.
I'll die on the hill that the trade was still the right thing to do.
I agree with this. But only that a trade was the right thing to do. Trading Dyson > Herb which cost us extra assets might have been the wrong thing to do. Especially knowing how high the Hawks valued Herb at the time.
In hindsight we may have actually been able to offer Herb + Hawk for Murray at that time without picks involved. And that would have been a way better trade considering we would have Dyson and potentially (2) extra 1st for assets building.
The writing was on the wall for Dyson to pass Herb. I mean he was locking up Luka/ Lebron as a teenager and Herb wasn't drafted until 23y/o. Some people were way to dense to process this.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 10:10 am to shel311
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4 non volume 3pt shooters definitely does not work.
3 (Dyson, Jones, Williamson) - between McCollum and Murphy there's a fair amount.
It's working fairly well for Atlanta since the Johnson injury. Considering okongwu and gueye are just jacking up shots
Posted on 4/4/25 at 10:25 am to Dantheman504
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The writing was on the wall for Dyson to pass Herb. I mean he was locking up Luka/ Lebron as a teenager and Herb wasn't drafted until 23y/o. Some people were way to dense to process this.
He's like a twitchier Draymond Green without the retardation.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 10:59 am to htran90
Gravity is different. We don't have a Trey Young that gives you that type of spacing and gravity out to 40 feet.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:10 am to supe12sta12z
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Gravity is different. We don't have a Trey Young that gives you that type of spacing and gravity out to 40 feet.
Teams give him that shot. Considering he's a 33% 3pt shooter on the year. Please do.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:14 am to htran90
Lol. That's not true. He gets guarded out to 40 feet. Stop looking at percentage and look at how defenses guards him. It's no different than Luka. The level of difficulty of the shots matter.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:52 am to supe12sta12z
He's not taking contested 40 footers everytime. They sag off him when he takes those more often than not. Does he have gravity, yes he does. He's also a volume scorer, but he's also so ball dominant and a plus facilitator.
But he is literally the only one outside of Johnson (and now risacher) on the regular that team's fear from 3.
Teams still sag off other guys like okongwu/capela etc.
But he is literally the only one outside of Johnson (and now risacher) on the regular that team's fear from 3.
Teams still sag off other guys like okongwu/capela etc.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 4/4/25 at 11:58 am to htran90
Go ahead a pretend like teams are sitting inside the 3 point line waiting for him to come to them or teams going under screens and letting him have those shots.
He's shooting really difficult shots off the dribble and regardless what the percentages say, team are blitzing him as soon as he crosses half court. And there's good reason for it.
He's shooting really difficult shots off the dribble and regardless what the percentages say, team are blitzing him as soon as he crosses half court. And there's good reason for it.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 12:44 pm to Dantheman504
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The writing was on the wall for Dyson to pass Herb. I mean he was locking up Luka/ Lebron as a teenager and Herb wasn't drafted until 23y/o. Some people were way to dense to process this.
I said this over and over the last two years. You don’t just trade away a 20 year old who is already elite one on side of the ball. Y’all just didn’t want to hear it at the time.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 12:54 pm to Townedrunkard
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Y’all just didn’t want to hear it at the time.
I was more vocal than you until after the fact.
The issue isn't that people "didn't want to hear it" its that they just completely ignored what the word ELITE means. They chose to value their opinion based off mediocre offense > acknowledging elite defense. Which is quite ignorant.
You don't trade a teen with elite abilities.
We had people choosing Hawk > Dyson not because Hawk had any solidified value/ stats but because he shot slightly better than Dyson. People are incapable of formulating competent conclusions when their only comparison of the (2) is a direct bias.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 12:57 pm to Dantheman504
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We had people choosing Hawk > Dyson not because Hawk had any solidified value/ stats but because he shot slightly better than Dyson
Bunch in here with that sentiment. I said I had no problem giving Hawk away, but I never would have traded Dyson away. I wanted us to draft Whitmore anyway. Hawks probably would have taken Whitmore if he was on the roster instead of DD.
It’s screw up after screwup with Griff and I call it out every time before it happens.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 4/4/25 at 1:41 pm to Dantheman504
I thought it was funny how inept they were making Dyson seem on the offensive end. He was killing it late in the year by diving to the FT line and hitting floaters and making the right passes. They were saying that a ridiculously high IQ/hard working player who is just 20 years old wouldn’t improve his offensive game. He has improved everything, except I must admit 60% from the FT line is abysmal, he has to fix that this offseason.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 2:47 pm to Pistol44
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For sure, almost like they were trying to win
I'm more referring to that Suns playoff series changing the perception of some players in the eyes of the front office
Posted on 4/4/25 at 3:40 pm to spaghettioeauxs
quote:Until the most recent 20ish games or maybe a few more, for Dyson's career, he has 10000% been inept offensively.
I thought it was funny how inept they were making Dyson seem on the offensive end.
His 1st 2 seasons he was a bad offensive player. This season before the past couple of months, he was just as bad, just with more usage.
Last couple of months has been solid, if he keeps that up, he's going to be a problem. He's young and has all the potential, but there's no guarantee this is definitely the Dyson of the future. It's still up in the air as to whether he ever becomes an average offensive player.
And I say that as one of the bigger Dyson fans on this board, always have been.
quote:Who said he wouldn't improve his offensive game? Name names.
They were saying that a ridiculously high IQ/hard working player who is just 20 years old wouldn’t improve his offensive game
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:21 pm to shel311
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Who said he wouldn't improve his offensive game? Name names.
This.
His offense wasn’t there but we figured it would come around eventually.
It wasn’t like the front office was shite talking him on the way out the door like the Mavs did with Luka.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:24 pm to shel311
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Who said he wouldn't improve his offensive game? Name names.
Lol. Plenty on here. I might have been the only one that didn’t like the trade on here. Even Dyson fans thought the trade was good.
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 4/4/25 at 4:39 pm to Townedrunkard
He wouldn't have developed here as we are constructed in a BI/Zion eccentric offense and with Willie and his limited offensive schemes and playbook.
He needed a strong lead guard to allow him be the strong connective piece he's emerged into in Atlanta.
Our offense and personnel was all wrong for him to benefit from it. And we boxed his strengths in to fit our stars unfortunately.
He needed a strong lead guard to allow him be the strong connective piece he's emerged into in Atlanta.
Our offense and personnel was all wrong for him to benefit from it. And we boxed his strengths in to fit our stars unfortunately.
Posted on 4/4/25 at 6:43 pm to shel311
Go reread the thread from when the trade broke. Most people justified the move by saying Dyson was a broken offensive player and wouldn’t figure it out. I don’t care enough to remember specific names but it was plenty in favor of that line of thinking. When the trade broke, I said it was a dogshit trade and Dyson should have been untouchable and I got downvoted to shite. Is what it is.
Posted on 4/5/25 at 2:49 pm to spaghettioeauxs
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spaghettioeauxs
You were not some genius in a field of fools on Dyson like you think you were. A lot of people justified the trade because Murray is a much better fit with Zion. You don't get to be a complete Zion Stan for the last 3 months, then pull out this bullshite.
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