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re: Duncan & Fletcher would be surprised if Gentry and staff do not get 1 more year
Posted on 4/16/19 at 11:05 am to NOSHAU
Posted on 4/16/19 at 11:05 am to NOSHAU
Look into the history of our medical staff and what happened with guys like Q Pon.
Injuries happen but misdiagnosis / mistreatment keeping them off the court for years in some cases impacts your available players and your cap room to replace them.
A few games here or there for guys can be dealt with. Complete and utter malpractice by the medical staff is different.
Injuries happen but misdiagnosis / mistreatment keeping them off the court for years in some cases impacts your available players and your cap room to replace them.
A few games here or there for guys can be dealt with. Complete and utter malpractice by the medical staff is different.
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Posted on 4/16/19 at 11:06 am to teke184
quote:And yet, Griffin took the job. Every assistant in the league would take a Head Coaching job if they could get one.
The problem with hiring someone new right now is that you aren’t getting quality candidates because the situation as of today is such a complete and utter clusterfrick.
The only thing set in stone right now is Griffin as head of basketball. They don’t know what our pick will be, what we get for AD, if we want to do a total rebuild by moving Jrue or if we want to immediately compete, etc.
The, "they can't find a quality candidate" idea, is a very odd take in this moment, to me. Especially with Griffin here.
We all saw Gentry publicly kissing arse for months. Lets be real about why Gayle's so attached. Just a "transition year" for our young roster to get subpar coaching. Thats all.
The worst part this though, is Darren Erman keeping his job. At least Gentry and Finch have left their impact the team. Erman's defenses are trash every year. There's zero justification for him still being here next year.
This post was edited on 4/16/19 at 11:08 am
Posted on 4/16/19 at 11:06 am to BallHawk
quote:Continuity of what though? This roster is going to be overhauled. Why not have the new players grow and learn from their new coach rather than a potential lame duck?
It's more of why does a change need to be made at the coaching level at this point? Meaning, if there isn't someone that's immediately better why not keep the continuity for another year. Like Crewz said, the players and front office have been put through the ringer the last 3 months. While I don't have any sympathy for the front office I do feel for the players who rallied behind Jrue and Gentry to steer the ship. Don't unnecessarily take that away unless a Brad Stevens-type guy is going to walk into that door and take the job. Odds are, that's not happening. Let Griffin focus on the rest to cement his vision in the front office, scouting, analytics, and G-League team. Get the coach next year when you could also make yourself a more appealing place to go.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 11:08 am to teke184
quote:So even if QPon was an issue, is that an excuse for Gentry's record since he has been here (especially considering he has rarely ever been a winning head coach)?
Look into the history of our medical staff and what happened with guys like Q Pon.
Injuries happen but misdiagnosis / mistreatment keeping them off the court for years in some cases impacts your available players and your cap room to replace them.
A few games here or there for guys can be dealt with. Complete and utter malpractice by the medical staff is different.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 11:11 am to BallHawk
Here's my argument against retaining Gentry.
We are a soon-to-be developmental team. Whomever AD nets us back are going to be young and with growth potential. They will need shaping and direction
There is not a whole lot of evidence that Gentry is a really adept developmental coach.
It's also not clear he is much more than a system coach that requires a mostly ready-fit roster to thrive, and both of those things are more likely than not to be in tension with the needs and likely situation of a rebuilding franchise.
We are a soon-to-be developmental team. Whomever AD nets us back are going to be young and with growth potential. They will need shaping and direction
There is not a whole lot of evidence that Gentry is a really adept developmental coach.
It's also not clear he is much more than a system coach that requires a mostly ready-fit roster to thrive, and both of those things are more likely than not to be in tension with the needs and likely situation of a rebuilding franchise.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 11:13 am to NOSHAU
quote:Your lame duck is another man's "transition year"
Continuity of what though? This roster is going to be overhauled. Why not have the new players grow and learn from their new coach rather than a potential lame duck?
Unbelievable how easily people are manipulated by BS. A week ago the entire board wanted him gone, now a transition year is being defended because I guess its too hard to find someone who'd like to coach an NBA team.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 11:16 am to NOSHAU
I’m not white knighting for Gentry nearly as much as pointing out it is hard to make chicken salad out of chicken shite.
Having millions in dead roster spots / cap room means you have to make due with whoever is on the roster or whatever disparate parts you find on the trash heap.
Gentry didn’t do himself any favors with his coaching but it wasn’t like he had a lot to work with when the roster was full of guys like Q Pon, Asik, Ajinca, who were a mix of injured, useless, or both.
Having millions in dead roster spots / cap room means you have to make due with whoever is on the roster or whatever disparate parts you find on the trash heap.
Gentry didn’t do himself any favors with his coaching but it wasn’t like he had a lot to work with when the roster was full of guys like Q Pon, Asik, Ajinca, who were a mix of injured, useless, or both.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 11:17 am to eyeran
It is absolutely mind boggling how many people buy into that stupidity, or legit want to keep him because he is "nice".
Posted on 4/16/19 at 11:17 am to Bronc
That also said, Griffin hasn't ever really demonstrated his core competency to be coaching hires.
If the tier of guy we are likely to get to replace Gentry is a David Blatt or Tyronn Lue, Gentry is probably not the worst situation because he does bring with him Chris Finch who has demonstrated a savant-like ability to create offensive efficiency.
If the tier of guy we are likely to get to replace Gentry is a David Blatt or Tyronn Lue, Gentry is probably not the worst situation because he does bring with him Chris Finch who has demonstrated a savant-like ability to create offensive efficiency.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 11:17 am to eyeran
A week ago we figured Ferry was taking the job instead of Griffin.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 11:25 am to Fun Bunch
quote:I'm just waiting for the Ferry-type tweet from Woj about Gentry and the team mutually agreeing to part ways so we can go back to the good ole days, a week ago, when the board was ready to throw him off the Causeway for how he was handling the tank.
It is absolutely mind boggling how many people buy into that stupidity, or legit want to keep him because he is "nice".
Posted on 4/16/19 at 11:27 am to Bronc
quote:I like Finch and hope that we are able to retain him if we keep Gentry. He may take the opportunity to move on knowing Gentry could be in a lame duck situation given a potential rebuild.
That also said, Griffin hasn't ever really demonstrated his core competency to be coaching hires.
If the tier of guy we are likely to get to replace Gentry is a David Blatt or Tyronn Lue, Gentry is probably not the worst situation because he does bring with him Chris Finch who has demonstrated a savant-like ability to create offensive efficiency.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 11:42 am to teke184
quote:So you agreed the position needed to be upgraded if Ferry had taken the job, but you're ok with keeping an inferior coach under Griffin.
A week ago we figured Ferry was taking the job instead of Griffin.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 11:45 am to eyeran
Ferry was an internal hire and keeping the current coach would have been a sign of “same old same old”. Him being directly involved in the AD negotiations also means he would be able to sell a new coach on his plans.
Griffin? Brand new exec who will need time to get everything he needs into place. He may have an idea of what he wants for AD and beyond but he hasn’t had any talks with Ainge or others yet.
Griffin? Brand new exec who will need time to get everything he needs into place. He may have an idea of what he wants for AD and beyond but he hasn’t had any talks with Ainge or others yet.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 12:05 pm to eyeran
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A week ago the entire board wanted him gone
I've never been a Gentry knight but I do believe the team has some very good assistants and that when you consider the entire coaching staff, the interested and available alternatives to replace Gentry would end up being lateral moves at best.
I also don't see what firing Gentry now gets us. We still haven't seen what we're getting back in an AD trade. We might want to lose next year to increase our assets if we don't get a good enough return on AD. Alvin can drive the tank and give good pressers at the same time.
Also, people seem to think our players play dumb and lazy because the coaches aren't good enough at coaching. If the AD era has taught me anything it's that you don't coach culture. You build culture by very carefully assembling the right mix of players with the right attitudes in the right roles.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 12:05 pm to Chad504boy
Must be Griffin’s decision to keep him around another year. Someone who works for the team told me a couple months ago that Gentry was gone.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 12:10 pm to Fun Bunch
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This seems to have been the story all along.
I understand the reasoning, but it is really, really going to turn off a large portion of the fanbase.
We all know that Gentry is a nice man but a really bad head basketball coach. I would just end it and start over. HC's are a dime a dozen in the nba and are fired with regularity.
Honestly, I kind of like the approach. I don't want Gentry long-term, but trading AD this off-season has to be priorities 1-10. Priority 11 will be deciding how to use the assets we receive in the trade. You don't know what assets you'll get or how you'll want to use them over the next 2-3 years until it happens. Keeping the status quo (for now) allows you to make the trade without feeling like you need to fit a system. Make Gentry sink or swim with what gets. Then, you'll have a lot better idea of what you have going into the 2020 offseason.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 12:12 pm to teke184
quote:
Look into the history of our medical staff and what happened with guys like Q Pon.
Injuries happen but misdiagnosis / mistreatment keeping them off the court for years in some cases impacts your available players and your cap room to replace them.
Q Pon is not a great example to use here.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 12:14 pm to eyeran
quote:
how he was handling the tank.
This is one of the dumbest complaints against coaching in the history of sport.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 12:17 pm to Jester
Lots of misdiagnosis and mismanagement of Q Pon, Jrue, Gordon, and others. NOT an isolated incident.
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