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re: Do you think Zion has played his last game as a Pel?
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:02 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:02 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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Yeah, move Zion for assets and build around a starting lineup of: Murray Herb Trey BI Missi
I appreciate everything BI has done this season but I’m not sure Griff brings him back. And if I’m BI, why would he want to come back to an organization that didn’t want to resign him? (I’m not blaming the pels- just talking from BI’s perspective).
I just think its time after this season to move on from Zion, BI and CJ. Lower expectations and build around Murray, Herb, Hawkins, Trey and Missi until you find that next star via draft or trade.
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Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:04 pm to Pels_Yaz
I'm just not ready to suck in perpetuity again. I don't know that I'll remain a fan for that.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:05 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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I'm just not ready to suck in perpetuity again. I don't know that I'll remain a fan for that.
I get that but imagine watching a young team grow and eventually achieve success. Playing hard, being at games and playing the right way. Build the right way similar to the Thunder.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:10 pm to Pels_Yaz
The thing is we all are at different stages of our lives and are fans for different reasons. A full rebuild could kill my interest too.
Also, people assume that makes you better. There is also a rebuild path that leads to being the Kings and Magic of the last 10 years. If rebuild is in the cards you probably have to punt this season and land an impact rookie to add to the current mix.
Also, people assume that makes you better. There is also a rebuild path that leads to being the Kings and Magic of the last 10 years. If rebuild is in the cards you probably have to punt this season and land an impact rookie to add to the current mix.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:11 pm to Pels_Yaz
That team is not going to grow into a contender, though. I get that you love the young guys, but people have been extremely optimistic with them. Frankly, none of those guys, except maybe DJ, would start on every team in the league. That means you have one good starter and no star. You just can't win like that.
You have to have at least 2 good starters to compete every night in this league. Giving up BI and Zion is a complete rebuild, which is why I argued so strongly against trading BI for lesser talent. I knew Zion couldn't be trusted.
You have to have at least 2 good starters to compete every night in this league. Giving up BI and Zion is a complete rebuild, which is why I argued so strongly against trading BI for lesser talent. I knew Zion couldn't be trusted.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:18 pm to BowDownToLSU
The media in NY would make him cry he is a sensitive, tubby lazy arse
Id trad him to the Wizards frick him frick his feelings
The have Mt.Dew code red in DC he'll be just fine.
Id trad him to the Wizards frick him frick his feelings
The have Mt.Dew code red in DC he'll be just fine.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:20 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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That team is not going to grow into a contender, though. I get that you love the young guys, but people have been extremely optimistic with them. Frankly, none of those guys, except maybe DJ, would start on every team in the league. That means you have one good starter and no star. You just can't win like that.
I agree with you but thats why I said. We develop these young guys as much as possible and still look for that star or stars via draft/trade. I like BI but hes not a superstar- you can’t really build a contender around him. I think hes a good player but not a guy that will take you to contender status.
Part of our issues is we build the wrong way. We’re looking to compete immediately. It takes time to build an actual contender- the goal can’t be to just fight for the play-in every year. Is a large part of that Zions fault- absolutely. But even when he was healthy we still barely got the 8 seed. I just don’t think BI is the guy to take us to top 4 seed in the west? I mean do you actually believe he is?
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:23 pm to TigerinATL
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The thing is we all are at different stages of our lives and are fans for different reasons. A full rebuild could kill my interest too.
You want to get rid of Zion, I just don’t see another option. If we keep and build around BI- we’re barely a play in team. Rebuild the right way. Yes it doesn’t mean it’ll always pan out. I mean look what happened with Zion- we wasted 6 years but that doesn’t mean you just give up on the rebuild. Honestly the hardest part is finding the right star. Once you hit on that- its easier.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:49 pm to Patfic15
I still don't know why this a**hat gave up Dyson when you knew this fat*** still wasn't fully committed. Dude set us back now with that trade for a win now situation that was never guaranteed. Dejounte got like 3-4 good seasons left in him and will be rebuilding by that time. Completely screwed the timeline. Hopefully he can be our Jrue Holiday during the rebuilding years. Ugh it sucks being a pelicans fan.
This post was edited on 11/24/24 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:57 pm to Pels_Yaz
I've been following his team for 20 years. Sucking does not lead to success, either. I'd rather be a play-in team than suck entirely. Again, if they blow this shite up, I'm likely done with fandom. I just don't have the time in my life to waste it on bullshite.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 2:58 pm to PelsRoe318
Either Griff is a fool and was swindled himself or he knows Zion isn't serious and plans to hand the team over to Ingram. Sit everybody out, tank this season, hope for Cooper Flagg, trade Zion for a haul, and do a soft reset.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 4:52 pm to pmacneworleans
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Team will need a PG even without the 2 of them, so don't see that trade labeled as a disaster in that event. And, you don't cure mistakes by persisting to keep making the same one.
Murray is in his late 20’s. He was brought in to unlock BI and Zion and WIN NOW. Giving away multiple firsts and DD for someone we didn’t need to trade for is a disaster. If we move both…..
This post was edited on 11/24/24 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 11/24/24 at 8:28 pm to Townedrunkard
So some would think.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 8:41 pm to Townedrunkard
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Giving away multiple firsts and DD for someone we didn’t need to trade for is a disaster.
We desperately needed a point guard. We got an all star point guard for picks likely out of the lottery and Dyson. Even if Zion and BI are gone- Murray can still be an important piece. Griff has done a lot of dumb shite, I don’t think trading for Murray was one of them.
Posted on 11/24/24 at 9:21 pm to PelsRoe318
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trade Zion for a haul,
Do you really think a team will give us a “haul” for Zion at this point??
Posted on 11/25/24 at 1:31 am to Pels_Yaz
If we land Flagg in the draft, we don't need to tear it all down and rebuild. We will replace a star who never plays with a better fitting, more reliable star on a rookie salary. We really need to maximize our chances at the top pick this year. That means tanking and finishing with a bottom four record.
frick Zion. I hope some team is dumb enough to give us some draft picks for him. Anything really. I'm just ready to move on.
frick Zion. I hope some team is dumb enough to give us some draft picks for him. Anything really. I'm just ready to move on.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 1:36 am to RUFshreve
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If we land Flagg in the draft, we don't need to tear it all down and rebuild. We will replace a star who never plays with a better fitting, more reliable star on a rookie salary.
If you’re tanking to build your team around a rookie you MIGHT land- its basically a rebuild. It will likely take 2-3 years for Flagg to become a superstar impact player in this league that you can say you’re technically a contender. I mean Wemby is a generational talent and the team did basically nothing his rookie year.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 6:43 am to Pels_Yaz
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will likely take 2-3 years for Flagg to become a superstar impact player i
The guy that made a name for himself practicing with the best of the best the summer after his junior year in high school? Also, the spurs had nothing else.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 7:48 am to Bdnp1
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Do you think Zion has played his last game as a Pel?
No
Posted on 11/25/24 at 12:59 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:While true, that is a sunk cost, and we should make decisions for what's best for the future accordingly, and not so a past trade doesn't become a disaster.
Murray is in his late 20’s. He was brought in to unlock BI and Zion and WIN NOW. Giving away multiple firsts and DD for someone we didn’t need to trade for is a disaster. If we move both…..
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