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re: There are 3 winless teams left

Posted by PelsRoe318 on 10/31/25 at 2:26 am to
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Posted on 3/18/25 at 12:48 am to Townedrunkard
No, the plan is a soft rebuild. This era is over. We squandered the entire trade package we got for AD, that we were suppose to have used to win with Zion.

1. 4th pick (Nickeil and Jaxson)
2. 8th pick (dyson)
3. Gave away Ingram for almost nothing
4. Gave away Lonzo for almost nothing
5. Probably some more I can't think of...

That's like you basically saying my plan is to run 29 year old Jrue with Zion his first year plus all the lakers capital and say try to win. Whats crazy you same people would agree yeah but not agree to this. You missing the forest for the trees. We thinking long term. Zion isn't staying after his contract and we already know Griff history with getting adequate value for trade assets. Zion hasn't added anything to his game substantial and we don't even know if he can raise his game in the playoffs. Yall would rather be a barely make the playoffs/playin team with Zion and no trade assets for the next three years instead of going ahead and going into a soft rebuild with another war chest. You same people would have tried to convince AD in his last year to stay as a GM and end result would be no assets instead of trading him while his contract was still in effect and him noninjured. Remember Dejounte don't come back for another season, we don't have a legit point guard no more so 2025 is basically a bust. Next two years is all we have left with Zion... then what?? Look at the Thunder GM, he thought long-term and made plans for the future, now they have assets galore and a contender for the foreseeable future because they cashed in on assets at the right time. Nobody knew SGA would be this good now look. Just two teenagers when basically the only elite thing about our organization is the draft scouts huh?
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 8:15 pm to purplepylon
He's gone. Unless we plan to tank for another season. Which we should.
Reason why:

1. Top 4 draft pick, need to give that guy minutes, we're not in a win now position with Dejounte gone next year
2. Dejounte is hurt next year
3. If green stay we're aren't winning. If we hire a new coach we still not winning, because it's his first year on the job.
4. Next draft has potentially four franchise players.
5. We don't know if Zion is going to be healthy next season.
6. Injury bug, let's keep it a buck we're probably the most injured team in the league so we can expect at least two of our players not to be healthy at all next season judging by past seasons. Can you guess who??

I would be fielding trade offers for Zion, get another war chest, get this top 4 draft pick, hope for a another top 4 draft pick next year. Get dejounte back during that 2026 season then run with that. But knowing Griff he's going to *****foot around and hold Zion still he has no value like Ingram and Lonzo.
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re: Pels trade to 13

Posted by PelsRoe318 on 6/25/25 at 8:53 pm to
Dude couldve at least put top 3 protection on it. It's the 13th pick for Christs sake. Did he even try to haggle.

re: Pels trade to 13

Posted by PelsRoe318 on 6/25/25 at 8:42 pm to
Terrible bet. Doesn't he know our injury history and Giannis potential to want out in the middle of the season.

re: Pels trade to 13

Posted by PelsRoe318 on 6/25/25 at 8:40 pm to
You don't trade a unprotected pick for a late lottery pick. WTF. We're aren't going to be even contenders probably next year without murray.
He really did. Had we traded Zion sooner we'd be in the playoffs these last few years plus this year as well. Griff would still have his job because the team he built were pretty much solid, Jonas, Alvarado, Dyson, Lance, Naji, Herb, Trey, CJ. Biggest mistake Griff made was not trading Zion because it eventually led to his firing and Zion being traded anyway.

re: Zion Trade Return?

Posted by PelsRoe318 on 4/14/25 at 10:25 pm to
We're getting a decent return. He has three years left on his contract. If we don't find a good deal this offseason we can just hold him and make him play next season and then trade him at the deadline for a desperate enough contender. This isn't like the BI situation where we had to trade or sign him by the end of the season.
Late to the party but... Finally people starting to make sense on this board. It's time to move on from Zion and start a soft reset. If we can get a top 3 pick for him in this draft or the next and multiple firsts and other players you take it. Don't do what we did with Ingram and Lonzo and get almost nothing because it's going to come to that point sooner or later. We need to cash in now.

re: Zion is so freaking good

Posted by PelsRoe318 on 3/20/25 at 5:35 pm to
Exactly, I just said in another thread that Dejounte will be injured next season, minute restriction the season after that, plus a player option in his third year. So we won't beable to legitimately contend until Zion's last year, his third year(contract has three years left). Not only that people still talking about building around him. With what? You want to trade our draft capital? Other than that are our players and what value can you get for them and would you trade them? I would be fielding offers for the summer and if not hopefully he stays healthy next season and be looking to offload him to the highest bidder. Yeh he's good but do you really think within the next three years will be anywhere close to a championship with his unreliableness, our aging role players, coach, and recent role players we lost (jonas, marshall, dyson, ingram, nance,). You would think dude was on the same level as Lebron the way yall stan him in this thread.

re: Zion is so freaking good

Posted by PelsRoe318 on 3/20/25 at 5:24 pm to
Don't take them serious. They were probably the same stans that were saying we'd "make noise when Zion comes back next year" after the Pelicans-Suns playoff series. They'll be the same ones singing "Cry Me A River" when he doesn't resign with us in three years as an unrestricted free agent.
No, the plan is a soft rebuild. This era is over. We squandered the entire trade package we got for AD, that we were suppose to have used to win with Zion.

1. 4th pick (Nickeil and Jaxson)
2. 8th pick (dyson)
3. Gave away Ingram for almost nothing
4. Gave away Lonzo for almost nothing
5. Probably some more I can't think of...

That's like you basically saying my plan is to run 29 year old Jrue with Zion his first year plus all the lakers capital and say try to win. Whats crazy you same people would agree yeah but not agree to this. You missing the forest for the trees. We thinking long term. Zion isn't staying after his contract and we already know Griff history with getting adequate value for trade assets. Zion hasn't added anything to his game substantial and we don't even know if he can raise his game in the playoffs. Yall would rather be a barely make the playoffs/playin team with Zion and no trade assets for the next three years instead of going ahead and going into a soft rebuild with another war chest. You same people would have tried to convince AD in his last year to stay as a GM and end result would be no assets instead of trading him while his contract was still in effect and him noninjured. Remember Dejounte don't come back for another season, we don't have a legit point guard no more so 2025 is basically a bust. Next two years is all we have left with Zion... then what?? Look at the Thunder GM, he thought long-term and made plans for the future, now they have assets galore and a contender for the foreseeable future because they cashed in on assets at the right time. Nobody knew SGA would be this good now look. Just two teenagers when basically the only elite thing about our organization is the draft scouts huh?
He's gone. Unless we plan to tank for another season. Which we should.
Reason why:

1. Top 4 draft pick, need to give that guy minutes, we're not in a win now position with Dejounte gone next year
2. Dejounte is hurt next year
3. If green stay we're aren't winning. If we hire a new coach we still not winning, because it's his first year on the job.
4. Next draft has potentially four franchise players.
5. We don't know if Zion is going to be healthy next season.
6. Injury bug, let's keep it a buck we're probably the most injured team in the league so we can expect at least two of our players not to be healthy at all next season judging by past seasons. Can you guess who??

I would be fielding trade offers for Zion, get another war chest, get this top 4 draft pick, hope for a another top 4 draft pick next year. Get dejounte back during that 2026 season then run with that. But knowing Griff he's going to *****foot around and hold Zion still he has no value like Ingram and Lonzo.
Griff doesn't know how to capitalize on assets like the Thunder's GM do. Thats why the Thunder have Shai for George and five first round picks. While we didn't end up with the #2 pick for ingram

re: Theis to OKC

Posted by PelsRoe318 on 2/5/25 at 5:22 pm to
Good god, it feels like that time I lost money in the stock market trying to recuperate what I lost when I should've just dropped out sooner. Griff has to be gone this offseason. Dude does not know when to just Cashin on assets and gives away top dollar assets for a nickel on a dime.
Uhh no he won't be. If that was the case Boogie would still be an all star player, Klay wouldn't have fell off like he did especially with his defense, John Wall would be still playing right now, and Kobe wouldn't have retired so soon. His career may not be over but he definitely won't be the same player and the difference is he'll still be under contract for the next 3 years while we were able to drop Boogie by not giving him that contract. Not only that the only player that was still viable in the NBA was Klay Thompson and that was because of his elite 3pt shooting. Just look at John Wall after he came back he was off the Wizards and stopped playing within the next two years. Again Durant and Klay are the only outliers in this case because of the elite shooting and body metrics.
David Stern would have vetoed this trade, fired the GM, and had the owner sell the team. The league has been officially infiltrated. Mark Cuban only recently sold the team in 2023.
Up on till this point AD has still played more career games for us than he has for the Lakers and Chris Paul's tenure here. And forcing a trade is from your prospective.

AD said:
“I knew I wasn't gonna sign an extension and that my time in New Orleans was definitely coming to an end. And, you know, I see a lotta people that say, "Wait --" or "You shoulda did it this way, that way." But for me, I've been in the league long enough. I'm a grown man. I know what I want. And so I thought doing it at that time was definitely going to be beneficial for myself and for the organization to get the best package available, so that way the organization is still set.”

"Davis made a good point. With the trade, the Pelicans got quite the package of players. Without the trade, the Pelicans would have gotten nothing. Kerr thinks it set a bad precedent, but it ended up as a win-win-win for Davis, the Lakers, and the Pelicans."

AD

Instead of fiddling around and faking wanting to be here anymore, AD saw the writing on the wall, knew Demarcus Cousins experiment was over, and went directly to the organization and was honest about leaving. Zion is just pandering to us instead of being honest from the jump. That's why we won't probably beable to get a good package deal now because of his BS.
It depends on what you mean as in fail. We've had players such as Chris Paul and Anthony Davis that were considered either generational talents or perineal all stars. They led us to the playoffs several times and put New Orleans as a basketball city on the map through participating in the community and being class acts on and off the court by just showing up a professional day in an out until it was time to depart. There can only be one winner as an NBA Champion and they're like 30 teams in the NBA. The last decade there was a period of only super teams(stars joining up together) winning and not small market teams. Only in the last couple of years has small market teams won and that's due to the decline of superteams or rather their inexperience playing together. (clippers, heat, warriors, cavs). Our issue is with Zion not fully committing from the jump to a well established NBA Basketball team, that has been fully committed to putting a viable basketball team around him otherwise we wouldn't have hired that Sun's trainer that Zion wanted gone because they didn't "click".

"You are only as strong as you're weakest link". From the very beginning Zion was his own worst enemy and our weakest link. If he was serious from the very jump this team would look a lot different right now. But his inability to be present as crucial times or just in general show up puts not only a damp on our fan's morales but also our players too. I guarantee if Zion played like he was suppose to Hawk would look like a different player. We have bench/role players playing the role as a starter/star when they're supposed to be secondary players/help to the actual star player but Hawk is in his second year like Nickeil trying give more than he possibly can at the moment. Borrego probably can't even experiment or enact a consistent offensive gameplan because this dude Zion doesn't show up for games and probably doesn't even take practice seriously. It's hard to make decisions that benefit the whole team across the board when your most important player happens to be the one that's dragging the entire team down.

Griff has been trying to put together a contender that was never going to happen this entire time. That is what's the biggest crime. Every step to bringing the New Orleans Pelicans to a now successful small market team was never in the cards because, our generational pick never wanted to succeed here not because of situations like Derrick Rose and Demarcus Cousins body failing them. We've had glimpses of greatness in our players (Ingram, Jose, Hawkins, Dyson, Naji, Murphy, and Herb) overshadowed because of Zion's tomfoolery. Potential exciting playoff berths missed that would have given our players a chance of further progressing in their development. The even bigger crime is we tricked our own fanbase into believing that it's our organization that isn't well-run or committed to giving the fans an actual competitive basketball team because our "best player" is in fact running the show. Proven how? "In a familiar spot. On the bench." Zion is giving the fans and organization nothing but false hope. A glimmer of what New Orleans basketball could potentially be but never actually living up to it. Zion is the actual grifter.

Mike Breen comment on Zion

Had we cut Zion sooner and gave Ingram the team we could have had us a Jimmy Butler Bulls era post Rose. But unfortunately, Griff was led astray by the off chance he could finally convince Zion to get with the program. It's going to be crazy when this debacle finally ends and the organization starts releasing all of what was really going on behind the scenes that we don't already know about. Alot of fans are going to be pissed. I don't even think another potential first pick is going to relieve them of their ptsd once this ends.
Plus we as fans won't continuously year after year have to go through emotional turmoil waiting for this fat**** to finally get his sh*t together. We good in New Orleans. We have solid decent upstanding players that will play hard just like that playoff series against the Suns, it's just our so called star player that's holding everyone else back. When we could've been handed Ingram the team long ago. Would've gotten a couple playoff series out of it by now.
Look at it this way. We're set up way better for a rebuild than we have been when we first had AD and then Zion. We have our SF, SG, and Center for the future, and we can get at least some sort of decent capital for Ingram, Zion, CJ, and Murray. Griffin just better not blow it. New Orleans won't be a dumpster fire for maybe a year or so if we go ahead and start over now and not waiting like we did with Lonzo instead of collecting assets.
Should've kept Dyson. That's almost up there with trading away the fourth pick. But if we go ahead and blow it up now. Will have our veteran PG in Murray for the future like Jrue Holiday when we first drafted Zion and hopefully we hit on a high lottery pick. There is no redemption story or turnaround this year. These dudes are done.