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re: Do you think that Eric Gordon is worth a max deal?
Posted on 6/22/12 at 2:49 pm to WooooLSU
Posted on 6/22/12 at 2:49 pm to WooooLSU
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hmm im not sure if my math is flawed but 78 games does not equal a full season
Close enough for gauging whether injuries limited his playing time. 4 games out of 82 doesn't seem like a big deal, especially since he was a rookie.
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don't get me wrong im a fan of EG but his style of play takes a serious toll on his body
I agree, I think his health will mirror DWade and Kevin Martin. He'll have some seasons where he plays 70+ games and some where he only plays 50-60. The downside of Gordon is you need a quality backup to cover the 20% - 30% of games that he'll miss. In general I agree that he's not worth the max, he's worth the max minus the $3 - $4 million you'll have to spend upgrading the backup SG. But realistically we might have to pay more than that because the other option is to over pay for much worse players.
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Posted on 6/22/12 at 2:51 pm to STEVED00
Not sure how much I buy that since they played him during their 6-4 stretch to close the season that moved them out of the 2nd worst record to 4th (4-6 would have given them 2nd most ping pong balls, not that it wound up mattering). Nevertheless, after reading up on the scenarios surrounding Gordon, I am actually in favor of matching his best offer on the market. The difference between 4-$56 and $50M is not significant enough to not roll the dice on his potential. I was under impression that he could command the 5/80 deal, which he reportedly was seeking when he declined 4/52(supposedly) during the season. If he turns in to a bust we can always trade his expiring contract ($18-19M) going in to his final season. If he fulfills his potential Gordon is a really nice (young) foundation piece to go along with AD and potentially another borderline max deal player.
This post was edited on 6/22/12 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 6/22/12 at 3:57 pm to OceanMan
I don't think so
Posted on 6/22/12 at 4:28 pm to Tha Truth
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Not sure how much I buy that since they played him during their 6-4 stretch to close the season
He only played in 4 of those last 10 games. Check out the reason Gordon didn't play against Charlotte.
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E. Gordon DNP - Rest
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The same reason was given for Golden State LINK
Posted on 6/22/12 at 7:06 pm to Lloyd Christmas
If you are a RFA can you not talk to other teams and sign a one year deal so the following year you are free to sign with anyone without worrying about being matched?
Posted on 6/22/12 at 7:19 pm to JabarkusRussell
Yes, just sign the qualifying tender.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 7:37 pm to JabarkusRussell
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can you not talk to other teams
That's encouraged, it's how you try and set your market price above what your current team is offering.
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sign a one year deal so the following year you are free to sign with anyone without worrying about being matched?
But for that freedom Eric Gordon would pass up an immediate raise from his qualifying offer of $5 million to probably $12 - $14 million. That's an immediate loss of $7 - $9 million, and that's not money you make up the next year, you get the same offer the following year because it's a max deal. So not only do you take on a year of risk of injury or that you have a bad year and hurt your market value, you also give up $7 - $9 million all for the opportunity to leave. You have to really hate the team you're on to want to leave that badly.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 12:42 pm to TigerinATL
To be fair its not like he can have much worse a season than he did last year. His stock will definately go up after a year.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 1:15 pm to JabarkusRussell
And the only thing he'll get for losing $7 - $9 million that he'll never be able to get back is the ability to sign with whatever teams have enough cap space in 2013. He's only made about $12 million so far in his career, no way he walks away from that much money just to switch teams. You'd have to be in a sinking ship situation like Blake Griffin might be if CP3 walks to consider playing for just your qualifying offer.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 2:02 pm to TigerinATL
He is worth 8 mil. max per year, and if anyone signs him for more then they can have him. The worst thing the Hornets can do is clog up the Davis development years with players that have been perpetually injured. If his knee is not right and they sign him to a 5 year deal his deal will last past when Davis gets a max extension. This ruining a chance at a potential dynasty.
What the Hornets should do is do a sign and trade with Cleveland for pick 4 or Washington for pick 3. Draft Beal, Barnes or Kidd-Gilcrist with that pick to pair with Davis and hopefully another wing player in Rivers, Lamb or Lillard at pick #10.
Even with that talent the Hornets are still lottery bound, draft well again next year and then watch your youth develop. Then prior to max contract years for Davis and others bring in some veteran players and win multiple championships. Go the route the Thunder did. They drafted Durant, Green, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka. Prior to Durant's max contract year they traded Green for Perkins, resigned Collison, and signed Sefolosha. Though they did not win this year they will win the West barring injury for the next 3 to 5 years.
What the Hornets should do is do a sign and trade with Cleveland for pick 4 or Washington for pick 3. Draft Beal, Barnes or Kidd-Gilcrist with that pick to pair with Davis and hopefully another wing player in Rivers, Lamb or Lillard at pick #10.
Even with that talent the Hornets are still lottery bound, draft well again next year and then watch your youth develop. Then prior to max contract years for Davis and others bring in some veteran players and win multiple championships. Go the route the Thunder did. They drafted Durant, Green, Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka. Prior to Durant's max contract year they traded Green for Perkins, resigned Collison, and signed Sefolosha. Though they did not win this year they will win the West barring injury for the next 3 to 5 years.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 2:09 pm to VA LSU fan
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What the Hornets should do is do a sign and trade with Cleveland for pick 4 or Washington for pick 3. Draft Beal, Barnes or Kidd-Gilcrist with that pick to pair with Davis and hopefully another wing player in Rivers, Lamb or Lillard at pick #10
This is a bold move. Its too risky and Beal, Lillard, and Davis will all want max contracts at the same time. With EG on a 4 year deal, we can sign Gordon cheaper when AD wants the max.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 2:52 pm to VA LSU fan
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If his knee is not right
I don't know how many times it can be said. Monty may not have been tanking but Demps sure as hell was. How often is 6 weeks of rest the first treatment tried for a pro athlete during the season? He had a MINOR scope. It was so minor that the debris they removed didn't show up on medical imaging and they had to scope it to find out. These minor scopes typically put a player out for 2 - 3 weeks. Gordon missed 3 months because we were tanking and now everyone who only halfway paid attention acts like he had a major knee injury when he didn't.
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and they sign him to a 5 year deal
That will not happen. They already offered him a 4 year deal and won't go any longer than that because you are only allowed one 5 year max deal under the new CBA and they clearly will be saving that for Davis.
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What the Hornets should do is do a sign and trade with Cleveland for pick 4 or Washington for pick 3. Draft Beal, Barnes or Kidd-Gilcrist with that pick to pair with Davis and hopefully another wing player in Rivers, Lamb or Lillard at pick #10.
I'd only do that for Beal and only if Demps was sure he'd be in the same class of player as Gordon.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 3:25 pm to TigerinATL
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I'd only do that for Beal and only if Demps was sure he'd be in the same class of player as Gordon.
Doesn't have to be if he is 80% cheaper.
A foundation of
PG Jack (veteran hold over)/Vasquez
SG Beal
SF Aminu
PF Davis
C Smith/Ayon
6th man Rivers
looks like a great start to me, considering they are also about 30 mil. below cap they have alot of options. If Davis, Beal, and somehow Rivers are all worth max deals the Hornets will have their Bird rights and if they are that good then hello dynasty. Just imagine if next year they sign Paul....WOW
Posted on 6/23/12 at 3:27 pm to VA LSU fan
You lost when you said sign paul. Wow
Posted on 6/23/12 at 3:27 pm to VA LSU fan
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PG Jack (veteran hold over)/Vasquez
SG Beal
SF Aminu
PF Davis
C Smith/Ayon
6th man Rivers
This wont work. Davis, Rivers, and Beal will all want max deals at the same time.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 6:42 pm to aswemajor
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This wont work. Davis, Rivers, and Beal will all want max deals at the same time.
Sure it will, by then you will know which of the 3 are franchise players as opposed to a situation like Atlanta in saying "oh no Joe Johnson is going to leave, let's sign him for more than what James, Wade or Bosh got from Miami."
Having more options than we must keep a player at all costs will allow the Hornets to be primed for success. Gordon at 10 mil. per year does not help the team any more than Beal at 4 mil. that 6 mil. savings over then next 4 years could be applied to a player a year from now to help build the foundation. Why give a player 20% of your salary cap when as I see it he is at best option #3 on a championship team.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 11:13 pm to VA LSU fan
I would love to sign him. Is he worth a max deal not at all but if he is healthy he is worth it to us to pay him.
Posted on 6/23/12 at 11:34 pm to VA LSU fan
quote:chris bosh
Why give a player 20% of your salary cap when as I see it he is at best option #3 on a championship team.
Posted on 6/24/12 at 2:43 am to Ryan3232
Why in the world would we pass on the opportunity to sign a quality player for the long term. Last time I checked, the Hornets were not an attractive destination for Free Agents in the NBA. The only way we are going to acquire legit talent is through trade and the draft. Chris Paul, the best player in franchise history, didn't even want to stay here. The Hornets have to strike while the iron is hot. Lock Gordon up and when the time comes, do the same for Davis. What's the better alternative? Let him walk and hope Davis and whoever we get at the #10 pick turn into the new Durant/Westbrook combo? Or that Monty Williams can coach up a couple of draft picks and a bunch of scrubs to a 6-8 seed. Get real.
The Hornets were giftwrapped a legitimate All-Star caliber player in the form of Gordon. I don't think injuries were the only thing keeping him from playing this season- the guy just didn't want to be here. But now, there is hope on the horizon - Anthony Davis. Pair these two with the #10 pick, some solid role players and let's see how this plays out the next half decade. The Hornets can't get much worse then this past season and have no other options for premier players anytime soon.
The Hornets were giftwrapped a legitimate All-Star caliber player in the form of Gordon. I don't think injuries were the only thing keeping him from playing this season- the guy just didn't want to be here. But now, there is hope on the horizon - Anthony Davis. Pair these two with the #10 pick, some solid role players and let's see how this plays out the next half decade. The Hornets can't get much worse then this past season and have no other options for premier players anytime soon.
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