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re: Do you think that Eric Gordon is worth a max deal?
Posted on 6/22/12 at 7:47 am to OceanMan
Posted on 6/22/12 at 7:47 am to OceanMan
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Certainly worth a nice $12-13M
The max for a player of his experience level isn't very different. If he got a max offer from another team that we matched he'd start about $13.5 million although it would escalate to $15.5 over 4 years.
I don't get why people think slightly overpaying a productive star player that makes other players better is so crippling. "I'd give him $12 but he can walk if it's $14" So rather than overpaying Eric Gordon $2 - $3 million per year you'd rather overpay to get a guy like Nick Young or Courtney Lee? The total dollar amount may be lower but you'd still have to overpay to get FAs like that. Besides, Demps has already done the work he needs to do to cover overpaying Gordon. One starting big is on a rookie scale contract and you have 3 high quality backups, Vasquez, Ayon, and Smith that are making combined what Carl Landry is likely to get by himself this offseason. Overpaying Gordon will not be that big of a deal, and hopefully they can draft a quality backup to be a cheap but effective cover for his expected 20% - 30% downtime.
This post was edited on 6/22/12 at 7:49 am
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Posted on 6/22/12 at 8:28 am to TigerinATL
Is he worth a max contract? no. But it might take it to keep him here. Max deals should only be offered to proven franchise players, in which Gordon is not. If he proves he can stay healthy over the course of an entire season I may warm up to the idea. That is if he warms up to the idea of actually staying in nola
Posted on 6/22/12 at 8:30 am to OceanMan
no, but we will likely have to overpay for him
that's life
that's life
Posted on 6/22/12 at 8:53 am to SlowFlowPro
If we do sign him, hopefully it be worth it. I dont mind paying him 13-14 million. Him and anthony davis would be a great duo and also next years FA would be an attraction for the hornets since we have money to spend.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 8:59 am to TigerinATL
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The max for a player of his experience level isn't very different. If he got a max offer from another team that we matched he'd start about $13.5 million although it would escalate to $15.5 over 4 years.
Yes I realize this, and it would probably be about $14.5M. What I am most worried about is this little difference might be the difference between signing another max guy this offseason.
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"I'd give him $12 but he can walk if it's $14" So rather than overpaying Eric Gordon $2 - $3 million per year you'd rather overpay to get a guy like Nick Young or Courtney Lee?
No one in this thread has mentioned those guys. I wouldnt say either one of those guys is in the same class as Gordon.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 9:03 am to OceanMan
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No one in this thread has mentioned those guys. I wouldnt say either one of those guys is in the same class as Gordon.
What I think he is saying is that if the $2-$3 million difference is the deal breaker on Gordon who is in a higher class then those mentioned, the hornets would still have to pay a premium price for those guys.
Might as well pay a little more for a better player instead of settling for others and paying more than they are worth.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 9:08 am to OceanMan
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What I am most worried about is this little difference might be the difference between signing another max guy this offseason.
There's only 1 max level worthy FA available this offseason and I have serious doubts that DWill would come here. I think we have a much better chance at CP3 next season than DWill this season, and the odds would still be pretty low on CP3 returning.
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Might as well pay a little more for a better player instead of settling for others and paying more than they are worth.
correct.
This post was edited on 6/22/12 at 9:09 am
Posted on 6/22/12 at 10:20 am to TigerinATL
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There's only 1 max level worthy FA available this offseason and I have serious doubts that DWill would come here
Well that is who I have in mind for the other max guy; I don't see where the doubt is coming from that he would come here. If we cannot persuade him to come here, I dont see how we could convince anyone of his caliber to.
I think you are bringing up excellent points BTW, and do not mean to seem argumentative.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 10:38 am to OceanMan
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I don't see where the doubt is coming from that he would come here.
He let it be known through his people that the Nets winning the lottery and drafting AD would not be enough to get him to stay.
DWill/Brooks/Wallace/AD/Lopez is in the same ball park as
DWill/Gordon/Aminu/AD/#10
If he wouldn't stay in the big market for a similar team up with Davis why would he do it in a smaller market? Because we don't have snow and might be better than Old Dirk and crap?
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If we cannot persuade him to come here, I dont see how we could convince anyone of his caliber to.
I think CP3 is the only max guy the team has a legit shot at in the next 2 years, and that's only because of his former positive ties to the team and area. If you don't get CP3 I think you have to start making noise in the playoffs in year 3 and 4 AD to be good enough to attract other star players.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 10:58 am to TigerinATL
I could be wrong (and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I am), but I believe the max for him is 5 yrs $80M, like Westbrook received... From what he has shown when healthy, I just don't believe hes worth that kind of investment.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 11:32 am to OceanMan
No way. Once he plays in some games, we'll see
Posted on 6/22/12 at 11:42 am to Tha Truth
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I believe the max for him is 5 yrs $80M, like Westbrook received..
The Hornets could offer him something like Westbrook, but you're only allowed one 5 year max at a time and they'd surely save that for Davis like Minnesota saved the 5 year deal for Rubio and only gave Love 4.
Other teams can only offer Gordon around 4/$58. There is no reason for us to go over that amount when all we have to do is match it or go below it if no one makes him an offer.
This post was edited on 6/22/12 at 11:44 am
Posted on 6/22/12 at 12:06 pm to OceanMan
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Deven
Hi Yannis. When July 1st comes, which big names will sign first?
Yannis Koutroupis
I think it’s going to be Eric Gordon staying with the New Orleans Hornets right now.
LINK
This is the college guy for Hoopsworld, so he's not really that authoritative on NBA Free Agency, but it's nice to see this instead of Gordon may be leaving.
This post was edited on 6/22/12 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 6/22/12 at 12:36 pm to OBUDan
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i dont really trust him as the cornerstone of this franchise
That's what I've been saying.
That's what Davis will be.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 1:35 pm to TigerinATL
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't OKC have Durant and Westbrook signed to max deals?
Posted on 6/22/12 at 1:39 pm to Tha Truth
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't OKC have Durant and Westbrook signed to max deals?
Yes, but Durant was signed to his deal under the old CBA.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 1:44 pm to Tha Truth
As much as I like gordon as a player, it would be absolutely insane to offer him a max deal. he has yet to play a full season since he entered the league and has some serious knee durability issues. at this point i'd say his max ceiling is somewhere around a monta ellis but because of his knee problems he could end up being the next brandon roy
Posted on 6/22/12 at 1:49 pm to WooooLSU
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he has yet to play a full season since he entered the league
He played 78 games his rookie season.
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has some serious knee durability issues
Link? His previous injuries were groin and wrist I believe. This injury is not even remotely as serious as you're making it out to be. His treatment was unusual because the team was tanking. You normally don't get 6 weeks of rest before the doctor say "We're not sure why it's swelling so lets scope it". The debris that was removed was so small it didn't show up under medical imaging, they just knew something was there because the swelling kept returning.
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but because of his knee problems he could end up being the next brandon roy
Comparing a guy that got a very low level knee scope to a guy that had both meniscuses in his knees removed. I'm not sure if you're trolling or just completely uninformed.
Posted on 6/22/12 at 2:00 pm to TigerinATL
If we needed EG to play more this yr, I feel very confident that he couldve played A LOT more games, but Hornets didn't want him too.
Our record w/ EG explains why...
Our record w/ EG explains why...
Posted on 6/22/12 at 2:40 pm to TigerinATL
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He played 78 games his rookie season.
hmm im not sure if my math is flawed but 78 games does not equal a full season, and since his rookie year he has continued to miss more games every year.
don't get me wrong im a fan of EG but his style of play takes a serious toll on his body and I don't think it would be wise to pay a guy like that a max deal
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