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re: Devonte Graham to Pelicans for first round 2022 lottery-protected pick 4yrs/47 million
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:44 pm to Bronc
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:44 pm to Bronc
Emotionally I like the move? The Pels could win the title and it wouldn’t move me more than the fist pump I gave Giannis this year.
I logically like the moves because they make basketball sense.
The Pels NEED to make the playoffs this year while developing their young roster.
the facts— the Pels were a roster calamity that kept them from making the playoffs. They have unfricked their roster removing not only players who didn’t want to be there but players who due to the shortcomings of their game made it even harder for the few good players they had to do what they’re good at. The team is a better schematic fit, costs less, is more flexible in the future, and all it cost were the thing they had plenty of— draft equity — and not a ton of it.
Lottery protected picks aren’t worth what y’all are pretending. It doesn’t mean that you can’t luck out and get lucky but banking on it or holding onto them as if they translate into surefire starters in the nba is just silly.
I logically like the moves because they make basketball sense.
The Pels NEED to make the playoffs this year while developing their young roster.
the facts— the Pels were a roster calamity that kept them from making the playoffs. They have unfricked their roster removing not only players who didn’t want to be there but players who due to the shortcomings of their game made it even harder for the few good players they had to do what they’re good at. The team is a better schematic fit, costs less, is more flexible in the future, and all it cost were the thing they had plenty of— draft equity — and not a ton of it.
Lottery protected picks aren’t worth what y’all are pretending. It doesn’t mean that you can’t luck out and get lucky but banking on it or holding onto them as if they translate into surefire starters in the nba is just silly.
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:47 pm to Townedrunkard
The Adams deal was stupid as hell. But I built the cost of getting off of him into it last year.
It’s better than keeping him.
It’s better than keeping him.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:48 pm to duyp
Seems like he’s actually happy to be coming to New Orleans too per his IG story. That will be a refreshing change of pace from a member of the NOLA back court
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:50 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
I like Graham as a 6th man spark plug. Not sure about a starter. I wonder if Griff is just that in love with Kira as a starter next season. Would be very risky. Also If y’all follow Kira on insta, the guy is getting bigger
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:54 pm to Hester Carries
Graham is a good player on a good contract.
Charlotte had the money to match right?
They haven't really signed anyone yet.
Charlotte had the money to match right?
They haven't really signed anyone yet.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:00 am to NOSHAU
I mean, if the pick conveys, then we’ve made the playoffs and we probably all feel pretty good about the team. We’d still have 3 2nds and some contracts to maybe get back into the 1st if we really want to. We couldn’t get into the lottery, but our pick wouldn’t have been lotto anyway.
We’d then have our pick/potential swap with LA in 23, then two 1sts for the next 4 drafts plus a couple swaps.
It’s not the end of the world. We got a good player and had to pay a hefty price in terms of assets. But the deal with Graham is a good deal. One that we needed to have, especially given what is left in the marketplace.
We’d then have our pick/potential swap with LA in 23, then two 1sts for the next 4 drafts plus a couple swaps.
It’s not the end of the world. We got a good player and had to pay a hefty price in terms of assets. But the deal with Graham is a good deal. One that we needed to have, especially given what is left in the marketplace.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:09 am to SCLSUMuddogs
Also, for those asking “if his numbers are the same as Lonzo, why give up Lonzo at all?”
Lonzo didn’t want to be here, he never wanted to be here. Of all the players in the LAL trade, he’s the only one that always seemed to not want to be in Nola. I think Lonzo’s inconsistent play just furthers that point.
Think of the last time we signed an RFA because we felt like we had to when he didn’t want to be here. I hear his heart is still in Phoenix to this day.
Bledsoe also seemed to be less than inspired to be coming to nola. I think what Trajan was talking about in the post draft presser is going into these decisions too. They want players who want to be here
Lonzo didn’t want to be here, he never wanted to be here. Of all the players in the LAL trade, he’s the only one that always seemed to not want to be in Nola. I think Lonzo’s inconsistent play just furthers that point.
Think of the last time we signed an RFA because we felt like we had to when he didn’t want to be here. I hear his heart is still in Phoenix to this day.
Bledsoe also seemed to be less than inspired to be coming to nola. I think what Trajan was talking about in the post draft presser is going into these decisions too. They want players who want to be here
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:11 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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Lonzo didn’t want to be here, he never wanted to be here. Of all the players in the LAL trade, he’s the only one that always seemed to not want to be in Nola. I think Lonzo’s inconsistent play just furthers that point.
I feel like us turning him to a 3&D player instead of a ball handling guard effected that too. Even though he wasn’t great iwhen we did give him the ball, especially during crunch times,
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 12:12 am
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:16 am to SCLSUMuddogs
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Also, for those asking “if his numbers are the same as Lonzo, why give up Lonzo at all?”
Lonzo didn’t want to be
Is anyone really asking that? He came for half the price.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:17 am to Chalkywhite84
Charlotte wasn’t interested in bringing Graham back
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:18 am to duyp
Can’t we all just be happy at another teams expense for once?
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:20 am to LSU Fan 90812
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NAW, Graham, JV Murphy are at least as good as Reggie Beverly Morris and Zubac.
?????
Posted on 8/3/21 at 5:59 am to LSU Fan 90812
Voice of reason in the ocean of melt
Posted on 8/3/21 at 6:29 am to PolishFan
Also, Graham shot 43% on catch and shoot 3s. With Zion taking control of the ball more often, this will be very beneficial for floor spacing.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 6:43 am to LSU Fan 90812
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But we also understand that picks 15-30 end up in the G League and we signed a fringe starting PG
who is apparently a G-leaguer because he was drafted after picks 15-30
Posted on 8/3/21 at 6:46 am to LSU Fan 90812
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Yeah let’s handwring on whether we are able to draft a starter for the 2022 season in the 15-30.
it's not really this as much as having the picks to trade for a roster upgrade. you're thinking about it too linearly
Griffin completely fricked up last year and it's been incredibly expensive to get out from under that offseason...and we may not be good enough to make the playoffs in a crucial year when we must make the playoffs...and we may now lack the ability to upgrade significantly this year
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 6:47 am
Posted on 8/3/21 at 6:47 am to Lester Earl
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A lottery protected first is the cost of business & frankly it isn’t that steep
The problem is it should have been the cost of business for Chicago, too
Posted on 8/3/21 at 6:49 am to SlowFlowPro
I believe karmapolice's basic argument is getting the team in the right spot is worth a 1st. And if the rest of the moves line up with this and more shooting is added and that works, it will have been worth a 1st.
That may be true but that doesn't change the fact that a normal S&T return for a non star player is similar to what the Pels got for Lonzo. Giving up a 1st for Graham is definitely higher than usual payment.
I hope there's more to it, the protection slides to 2nds after next year, another piece is coming and the $5 million saved on Graham by not having to bid against other teams on him let's you add someone like Buddy or Barnes. Unfortunately I fear the real answer is Griff isn't a good negotiator. He's good at creating a market and the appearance of leverage, but I fear when people call his bluff he's the one that blinks first.
That may be true but that doesn't change the fact that a normal S&T return for a non star player is similar to what the Pels got for Lonzo. Giving up a 1st for Graham is definitely higher than usual payment.
I hope there's more to it, the protection slides to 2nds after next year, another piece is coming and the $5 million saved on Graham by not having to bid against other teams on him let's you add someone like Buddy or Barnes. Unfortunately I fear the real answer is Griff isn't a good negotiator. He's good at creating a market and the appearance of leverage, but I fear when people call his bluff he's the one that blinks first.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 6:52 am
Posted on 8/3/21 at 6:54 am to LSU Fan 90812
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Are you trying to tell me that you would rather have a 15-30 pick than a starter?
No.
You're confusing results-oriented thinking with process-oriented thinking.
Griffin is fully capable of making bad deals that still improve the team. Doesn't mean the decision-making was ideal.
We lost one of our most valuable assets and had to literally eat shite to aid the other team in acquiring it. We then make a likely positive deal and overpay the other team (especially compared to the S/T we just did) for a fringe starter.
When you look at the totality of our assets 13 months ago, we've been gutted for a potentially slight upgrade moving forward.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 6:59 am to TigerinATL
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That may be true but that doesn't change the fact that a normal S&T return for a non star player is similar to what the Pels got for Lonzo. Giving up a 1st for Graham is definitely higher than usual payment.
yeah if it was a fake pick, we should have had more than just lottery protections built in. i supposed we'll know more of the nitty gritty in a few days, but it better turn into 2nds really fricking quickly
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Unfortunately I fear the real answer is Griff isn't a good negotiator. He's good at creating a market and the appearance of leverage, but I fear when people call his bluff he's the one that blinks first.
yeah that's the big thing. he's shown he has no plan, certainly has no plan B or C, and he is terrible at negotiating
i imagine this is what happened. he REALLY thought Lowry was coming here. then when FA started, Lowry was off the table. Griffin had no real plan B, tried to throw crazy money at Dinwiddie, who then just used us as leverage to get more money from WAS. after kicking the tires on a Zo-CHA move, he went back to CHA and inquired as to DG, but CHA knew he was incredibly desperate, so they bent him over the barrel
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