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re: Devonte Graham to Pelicans for first round 2022 lottery-protected pick 4yrs/47 million
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:09 pm to LSU Fan 90812
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:09 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:
Yeah let’s handwring on whether we are able to draft a starter for the 2022 season in the 15-30.
Only 1 player from the 2020 draft in those slots started
Dude in your other thread titled "Spacing" you literally listed Murphy as one of your projected starting 5 and he is a rookie that was the 17th pick.
Make up your mind.
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Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:13 pm to RUFshreve
quote:nice catch
Dude in your other thread titled "Spacing" you literally listed Murphy as one of your projected starting 5 and he is a rookie that was the 17th pick.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:13 pm to shel311
quote:
it's wild.
People thought there was a legit chance we'd do Lonzo S&T for Brogdon. The moment we got Sato and a 2nd, those same people pointed out you don't get much in return with S&Ts, then those same people defended giving up the 1st in the S&T for Graham. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
You're not crazy. It's been a bad day and some people are dealing with it by lying to themselves. It's been a rough days for Pelican fans, hopefully tomorrow will be better.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:15 pm to RUFshreve
Yeah and I think the Pelicans got a Primo Spurs pick worth of luck to get him. I think the Pelicans got the 1 who just happened to be EXACTLY what they needed.
That doesn’t mean that a 15-30 is worth more than a guy getting 30 mpg and averaging 15 plus.
Just go look at last years draft. Only Saddiq Bey saw extended run.
That doesn’t mean that a 15-30 is worth more than a guy getting 30 mpg and averaging 15 plus.
Just go look at last years draft. Only Saddiq Bey saw extended run.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:17 pm to Pendulum
quote:I know it has been a while since we have been in the playoffs, but it does not have to be a superstar. At the deadline, if a team is in the hunt, they target a player they can use in the playoffs to improve a part of their team (not necessarily a superstar). Many teams selling are looking for a draft pick in the following draft. We would not be able to offer anything until 2024 now.
Our own 23 pick would be worthless if we are trading for a superstar, what am I missing? We'd be trading picks farther down the road, just like we got back for our superstars. If someone is giving us a piece that's gonna move the needle, they are gonna want picks after that blows up, Not 22 and 23.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:18 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:Not sure you comprehend. At the deadline, you are not looking for a prospect. You are looking for a player to help you get to the playoffs and advance.
Except we have cap space and can add a real live tried and true nba player instead of a prospect. Because we have cap space and expiring contracts.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:19 pm to LSU Fan 90812
What are your thoughts on Nickeil Alexander Walker's future?
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:20 pm to NOSHAU
Look y’all need to understand that the Pelicans aren’t even my team, just one of many. I watch them because I am a hoops addict.
The team got way better. They have plenty of contract flexibility to make moves at the deadline.
Y’all should finally get excited.
The team got way better. They have plenty of contract flexibility to make moves at the deadline.
Y’all should finally get excited.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:20 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Lowry
Outside of the ball deal, what other S&T’s have been detailed?
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:21 pm to Bronc
I think he’s going to be a solid starting SG in a league with a shortage of SGs and he deserved all of Bledsoe’s minutes even last year.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:22 pm to duyp
quote:Not sure we were worried about them matching. However, I wonder if we had to ensure that the salary stayed at a certain level and did not want to risk having to go higher with the unknown. If so, that would indicate that we have a pretty good idea that we have a big move on the way and could not risk investing any more cap space. Could be completely wrong, but trying to understand the reasoning for the pick.
I think that’s it. We giving them a first round protected pick so they won’t match. I think if we didn’t they definitely would.
They only got Rozier, Ball and Bouknight currently.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:22 pm to NOSHAU
Oh yea wasn’t Precious in that deal
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:23 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:
I think he’s going to be a solid starting SG in a league with a shortage of SGs and he deserved all of Bledsoe’s minutes even last year.
So 2 quality starting wings at 17 in two years.
Just making Sure I'm following this whole logic of yours that seems to contradict itself one sentence after the other.
This post was edited on 8/2/21 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:25 pm to NOSHAU
Dude you’re not comprehending—- everyone is complaining about giving up a pick in NEXT years draft. A prospect. A college or G ignite or international player.
With the money saved in Graham’s cap number 11.7 mill, the Pels have space for another rookie scale contract.
So instead of gambling on a player they’ve never seen play two years from now, they can use the space to trade for a rookie this year that they’ve seen in summer league and in the league.
There will be all the same names you just saw drafted who will be sitting on the bench next year.
With the money saved in Graham’s cap number 11.7 mill, the Pels have space for another rookie scale contract.
So instead of gambling on a player they’ve never seen play two years from now, they can use the space to trade for a rookie this year that they’ve seen in summer league and in the league.
There will be all the same names you just saw drafted who will be sitting on the bench next year.
This post was edited on 8/2/21 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:28 pm to Bronc
Are you trying to tell me that you would rather have a 15-30 pick than a starter?
Or that you think the Pels should be concentrating on players who MIGHT graduate into the starting lineup by 2025?
Seems to me like NAW didn’t sniff much of the floor his rookie season.
Or that you think the Pels should be concentrating on players who MIGHT graduate into the starting lineup by 2025?
Seems to me like NAW didn’t sniff much of the floor his rookie season.
This post was edited on 8/2/21 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:30 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:You STILL do not comprehend. When a team trades a draft pick at the deadline, they do so for an established player, not a future prospect. Read and comprehend what someone is trying to say before wandering off on an unrelated tangent.
Dude you’re not comprehending—- everyone is complaining about giving up a pick in NEXT years draft. A prospect. A college or G ignite or international player.
With the money saved in Graham’s cap number 11.7 mill, the Pels have space for another rookie scale contract.
So instead of gambling on a player they’ve never seen play two years from now, they can use the space to trade for a rookie this year that they’ve seen in summer league and in the league.
There will be all the same names you just saw drafted who will be sitting on the bench next year.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:33 pm to NOSHAU
Bud. The Pels have cap space and expirings. They can trade for an established player without trading picks. OR they could trade a later pick beyond 2023.
You’re worried about a trade deadline problem that doesn’t exist.
You’re worried about a trade deadline problem that doesn’t exist.
This post was edited on 8/2/21 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:36 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:
Are you trying to tell me that you would rather have a 15-30 pick than a starter?
Or that you think the Pels should be concentrating on players who MIGHT graduate into the starting lineup by 2025?
So are you now saying Sadiq Bey and NAW can’t be starters until 5 years into their careers?
Who do you want starting next season at SG if I might ask?
Really comes off like you are just moving around facts and logic to defend anything the organization does because you emotionally like the move.
Nothing you have posted in the last page has remained logically consistent.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:36 pm to LSU Fan 90812
quote:My point was that trading the 2022 pick restricts us from trading another 1st rounder until 2024 at the earliest. That far out has less value/less leverage in a trade when looking for immediate help. That's all.
Bud. The Pels have cap space and expirings. They can trade for an established player without trading picks. OR they could trade a later pick beyond 2023.
You’re worried about a trade deadline problem that doesn’t exist.
Posted on 8/2/21 at 11:41 pm to shel311
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We've essentially traded 3 1sts the past 2 offseason and have Graham to show for it. 1 for Graham when no one else gave up 1sts for a sign and trade, and 1 for Adams then another to move off of Adams/Bled
Wasting your breath, got torn to shreds in the Adams trade thread when I said it was a stupid waste of assets giving up a first when the market should have been no more than a pair of seconds. Then another 1st to get off the bad decisions. Now this 1st when no one gives up firsts for S&Ts.
Sad thing is, probably could have got Sexton for the cost of these three first round picks we just gave away for absolutely nothing. But the same people keep defending saying it’s not a big deal, but 3 frp is a big deal when u add them together and could have netted us a possible difference maker….
And this is coming from the first person that mentioned going after Graham in the Lowry trade thread….
This post was edited on 8/2/21 at 11:45 pm
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