re: David Griffin the GOAT

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I've always said you are ultimately judged by wins and losses.

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As it should be with GM's

And in Griff's case no GM has ever had a better set up for success starting a rebuild.

If this team is a consistent contender, wins a chip, and Griff achieves his stated goal of creating a Spurs like decade of contending, it wont matter that he fricked up trading down, that the Zion situation was rocky, or he hired SVG and spent draft capital on misfit parts his first years. You might ding him in comparing him to his peers, but there will be no doubt he will have earned the right to put his name amongst the greats if he achieves that.

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And in Griff's case no GM has ever had a better set up for success starting a rebuild.

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pels roster the day griffin was hired



thankfully they owned all their 1sts going forward, but thats not some massive anomaly. david griffin set-up david griffin for a successful rebuild

Man I'm sorry for posting back to back but I saw more of the post in here and man they takes are Laughable. Griff has earned his far share of blame but give the man credit where it is due.

His first season here he inherited Gentry and was able to sign JJ and getting Favors was not bad either. If Zion would have never got hurt that was a playoff team.

Then not giving him credit for the Haul he got for AD is ridiculous. Toni tried to screw us every way possible making the Lakers the only team that could trade for him it is ridiculous the amount of assets he got back for a guy who had 1 year left on his contract and said he would only sign with the Lakers.

And getting a player like CJ and a throw in like Larry was a move that the front office set up in the off season with the Zo trade and the contract the sign Hart to was made so the could trade him. So to act like the CJ trade is just something that came out of the sky is just hating at this point.

Calling Griff a snake oil salesmen aint the look anymore you see the things he was talking about in this team.

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Zion needs to be kept happy by whatever means necessary.

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I dont know if i still really agree with this.

At this point the Pels could theoretically package and trade Zion and if done right, still remain or obtain true contender status.

That said, I think the tension is 15% true and 85% fan and media driven projection, wishful thinking, and hyper cynicism. If Zion likes his teammates, is winning championships as a Pel, the team still has a bright future, he'll be here IMO. One look at him on the bench through these games and it's clear he is having a blast and is invested. And his videos show he wants to be helping THIS team.

I think it also helps that a lot of this next generation is seeing in real time the deeply critical flaws and failures of superstar pressured team building. While well run organizations built from the ground up(mostly) are the ones predominately thriving: Suns, Bucks, Celtics, Grizzlies, Warriors, Minny, Pelicans, Hawks. And notably with superstars that stuck with their drafted teams: Tatum, Booker, Giannis, Curry, Embiid. While the strong arming superstars and journeyman mercenaries are struggling: KD, Lebron, AD, Kyrie, Simmons.

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thankfully they owned all their 1sts going forward, but thats not some massive anomaly. david griffin set-up david griffin for a successful rebuild

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Griff had no bearing on the lottery balls coming up Zion, and basically was forced into the Lakers trade, but to his credit, he squeezed every ounce of juice out of them, even if they were irrationally motivated buyers, so fair point.

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clear he is having a blast and is invested. And his videos show he wants to be helping THIS team.

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It shows he is jovial while watching the others beat odds. Hard to say if he's "invested" in this team at this point.

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winning championships as a Pel

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Of course he'd be happy winning a championship. I don't think it would make any difference to him if he won one in N.O. or somewhere else. Outside of LA, NY, Chi, and Boston then the rest of the NBA cities are interchable if winning.

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Letting Lonzo walk is one of Griff best moves here. Lonzo was on this team for 2 seasons and we couldn't even make the play in he needed to go.

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We got a 2nd for Lonzo and we gave up a top 15 pick for Graham. They were both restricted free agents and you saying he played that the right way??

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Zion needs to be kept happy by whatever means necessary.

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As Corso would say, "not so fast!".

As fans, we will likely never know the full story. Griffin can come across as a salesman, which makes him easy to view as dishonest, while Zion has that "aw shucks" innocent quality about him, which leads to people initially giving him the benefit of the doubt. Over time, that has worn away. Now it is easier to consider Zion/his camp as being the cause of much of the contention.

Zion truly has the potential to be a historic player but it is something he has to truly want. If he is willing to submit to the experts and invest in what is going on with the Pels, he gets paid max money. If he fails to buy in, it undermines everything. Given our current roster and situation, you would have to consider trading him and moving forward with assets willing to buy in.

I agree with you, and I want him to be on this team and buy in and be great.

I'm just talking about my OWN expectations.

That obviously should not be the expectations of management or the players.