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David Griffin needs to Act
Posted on 1/22/21 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 7:50 pm
This team is not going anywhere the way it is currently constructed. It is time for Griffin to make some moves to improve this team, everybody knows we are to guard heavy and it's killing the team. Every team in the league seems to have 3 point shooters but the Pels and neither of our starting guards can shoot the 3. We need a wing and a stretch big to open up the floor for Zion and BI. With all the draft picks and the abundance of guards Griffin should be able move some of these assets to aquire these needed parts. Its time for him to get off his arse and start earning his paycheck.
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Posted on 1/22/21 at 7:53 pm to Earthquake
Or he can sit right where he is, continue to accumulate assets (and not waste them on year #1 of a re-building year) and potentially acquire multiple top 15 picks in one of the most stacked draft classes in decades.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 8:26 pm to Earthquake
Missing Dell, eh?
Posted on 1/22/21 at 8:42 pm to Earthquake
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David Griffin needs to Act
As much as most of us want Lonzo gone now, it likely wouldn't happen until February 6th at the earliest. There is a trade season of sorts in the NBA. Free Agents that signed in the offseason typically can't be traded until December 15th. This year that date is Febraury 6th. That allows a lot more assets to be put on the table in trades even if it's just for competition to help bid up what teams are trading. Most teams wait until this date before trades start happening.
That's just the unofficial starting date of the trade season, most trades still happen a lot closer to the deadline to maximize value/opportunity. This year the trade deadline is March 25th.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 8:43 pm to Earthquake
The worse thing Griff could do is throw away draft picks for a quick fix that would at best get us into a play in seed.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:07 pm to Jar_Jar_80
That's right waste another year of Zion and BI, we should keep stockpiling assets so we can tell the rest of the league look at us we are the future. I never said we should get rid of all our picks, but at some point, you got to do something to improve this team, before Zion start demanding a trade out of New Orleans.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:11 pm to Earthquake
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That's right waste another year of Zion and BI, we should keep stockpiling assets so we can tell the rest of the league look at us we are the future.
Are Zion or BI ready to win a championship?
Honestly I think this is a tinkering year.
Gotta figure out if Lonzo is worth something, if Hayes and NAW can show something.
This post was edited on 1/22/21 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:23 pm to Earthquake
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That's right waste another year of Zion and BI
Show me another 20yr old and 23yr old duo who’s done anything of significance in the NBA.
BI and Zion are locked up. Zion isn’t going anywhere until after his second contract. By the time he approaches that second contract, this team will be mature enough to actually do something. You want to burn assets to be a meddling team when what we should be eying is a legit championship contender in 2 or 3 years.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:27 pm to Earthquake
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That's right waste another year of Zion and BI
Neither Zion or BI are ready to lead a team to a championship. Especially Zion he has pass all my expectations on offense but he still has so much room for growth especially on defense. Truthfully we need Zion to work more with professional trainers during the off season and just not his stepdad.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 9:32 pm to SammyTiger
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Gotta figure out if Zion is worth something
Bruh.....
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:01 pm to Jizzamo311
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Bruh.....
I actually mean Lonzo.
Pretty big difference I know.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:14 pm to SammyTiger
Only one team can win a championship, they are know where near ready to win a championship now, but you need to show them that there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Being under contract in the NBA don't mean nothing, when a player wants out he is going to get out. See CP3, AD, or Harden.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:30 pm to Earthquake
The problem is Griffin didn't go full on into a rebuild. He did a modified version of what Demps did. He tried to build for the future and compete now. This created expectations. Things like saying we "are here to kick arse" and saying Holiday could be compete for league MVP like Steve Nash did, set some expectations that they have pretty drastically underperformed on.
Second, I don't know how much losing you can do these days before you sour your franchise players and lose them going forward. Getting guys like Davis and Zion is a double edged blade. I sometimes think it's better to get slightly lower profile guys who can mature into stars rather than the splash guy who seems to start the clock ticking loudly the second he puts on your team cap.
Second, I don't know how much losing you can do these days before you sour your franchise players and lose them going forward. Getting guys like Davis and Zion is a double edged blade. I sometimes think it's better to get slightly lower profile guys who can mature into stars rather than the splash guy who seems to start the clock ticking loudly the second he puts on your team cap.
Posted on 1/22/21 at 10:53 pm to Earthquake
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but you need to show them that there is a light at the end of the tunnel
Agreed, at some point there should be. Year 2 of a rebuild and year 1 of a new headcoach is not the time.
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Being under contract in the NBA don't mean nothing, when a player wants out he is going to get out. See CP3, AD, or Harden
CP3 was in a shite situation, demanded a trade after 6 years here.
AD stayed here 7, but it wasn't until after year 6 he pushed for a trade.
James Harden's rockets had a window and he knows it had officially closed. add the fact the owner got rid of his GM/HC and he obviously felt a certain way. That took 9 years
We're not even at the halfway point yet for either one.
It seems apparent that Ingram isn't interested or fond the bright lights. By all accounts, he seems prepared for a process of rebuilding, retooling, and improving with the team. Zion is still a novice to this league and despite how big of a star he is, he seems focused on just improving. This is normal building for a young team. Now in 2 years, where Zion is about to sign his massive extension and we're still floundering like this?
I 100% agree, gotta make some moves.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 1:31 am to Earthquake
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That's right waste another year of Zion and BI, we should keep stockpiling assets so we can tell the rest of the league look at us we are the future. I never said we should get rid of all our picks, but at some point, you got to do something to improve this team, before Zion start demanding a trade out of New Orleans
Waste another year of Zion? Dude has not even played half a season yet in Nola. And we already cashed in a few chips that we probably shouldn’t have for Adams....
This is a great year to not really tank, but develop guys and see what we actually have on the roster and hopefully add a top ten pick in a great draft. And if we lucky, win one of the lottery picks.
This post was edited on 1/23/21 at 1:39 am
Posted on 1/23/21 at 7:51 am to Townedrunkard
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Waste another year of Zion? Dude has not even played half a season yet in Nola. And we already cashed in a few chips that we probably shouldn’t have for Adams....
This is a great year to not really tank, but develop guys and see what we actually have on the roster and hopefully add a top ten pick in a great draft. And if we lucky, win one of the lottery picks.
Outside of the Adams take, I agree. I understand people being angry about the way we're looking/playing, but you guys should have had reasonable expectations coming into the year. Unless we somehow get into the play in games, we weren't a playoff team. I in fact didn't expect us to even be that close. Ingram and Zion are still very early in their careers, looking to see how the NAWs, the Hayes, and the Kiras would do, and we're playing guys like Bledsoe and Lonzo to eventually trade them.
This is still very early in the Zion/Ingram process and Griffin I'm sure agrees. He wants to see what we got to see if these guys are worth keeping or not. When the time is right for Zion and Ingram, he'll make the right moves around them to win. I believe that.
This post was edited on 1/23/21 at 7:56 am
Posted on 1/23/21 at 8:14 am to A Menace to Sobriety
It’s like some people don’t have the intellectual capacity to understand there will be growing pains when growing a contender. It means there will be some ugly games, some learning experiences. If you rush into deals to improve “now,” you will overpay and limit your future potential. Sit back and flirt trades like Jrue until other teams over pay us, trade rape them and flip those assets when Zion and BI are ready for the big stage in 2-3 years. But that means you have to be patient and accept the vision for 2-3 years.
ETA: and also you get to see if NAW or Hayes do explode in year 3. Then you have another core piece or at a minimum, some trade value.
ETA: and also you get to see if NAW or Hayes do explode in year 3. Then you have another core piece or at a minimum, some trade value.
This post was edited on 1/23/21 at 8:16 am
Posted on 1/23/21 at 8:29 am to touchdownjeebus
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Show me another 20yr old and 23yr old duo who’s done anything of significance in the NBA.
23 year old Wall and 20 year old Beal won 44 games. No idea who their 3rd best player was on that shite team.
21 year old rookie Donovan Mitchell and 25 year old 4th year Gobert won 48 games, been great since then.
20 year old 2nd year Murray and 22 year old 3rd year Jokic won 46 games, been great ever since then.
22 year old 2nd year Lillard and 21 year old rookie McCollum won 54 games.
21 year old rookie Simmons and 23 year old 2nd year Embiid won 52 games.
19 year old Rookie Tatum and 21 year old 1st year Brown led their Kyrie less Celtics to within a game of the finals.
Do you need me to mention the 21 and 20 year olds on the Thunder when they were winning 50+ games and going to the finals?
What about 3rd year 22 year old Shaq and 2nd year 23 year old Penny winning 57 games?
Let’s hear the excuses as to why these don’t count. New coach.....shortened offseason....bad team/roster management......
This is why I expect to at least be a .500 team. If BI and Zion are the superstars we expect them to be, then we shouldn’t be winning 30 games. We saw the same shite with AD and Jrue.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 8:38 am to DrewSimp82
It is very tough being patient, but it's what needs to be done.
Posted on 1/23/21 at 8:44 am to A Menace to Sobriety
Yeah it’s about being patient this year but I still okay with a couple of tweaks this season like trading Ball and getting some shooters here. I still like BI and Zion as the core players and Adams, Hart, and maybe NAW or Kira as core role players going forward.
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