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re: Dame feared to have torn his Achilles.
Posted on 4/28/25 at 5:03 pm to SEC Doctor
Posted on 4/28/25 at 5:03 pm to SEC Doctor
It's better when Dejounte can come and start giving you 15 minutes
Posted on 4/28/25 at 6:00 pm to SEC Doctor
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Alvarado
Boston
Reeves
Olynyk
Matkovic
That's a bottom 5 bench in the league.
Not bottom 5, definitely bottom 15. Jose/ Olynyk/ Karlo easily carry them out of the bottom 5 and (1) of Herb/ CJ/ Murray would technically be on this bench.
I would personally take CJ/ Jose and turn them into young players/ picks. Or if the right guy is available then possibly trade a 1st. We do have Indy 26' which will likely be #18-25.
We really only have (3) options:
1. Run it back....
2. Replace CJ with a younger long term player
3. Trade Zion and CJ
If we run it back then I want a Myles Turner and that's really our only need if healthy.
If we replace CJ then you still have the option of dumping salary and acquiring picks or attaching picks for an upgrade.
If we trade Zion and CJ then I want a top 5 draft pick this year, probably future picks, and atleast (2) of Reed Sheppard, Jabari Smith, T Eason, C Whitmore, Brandon Miller, Miles Bridges, Mark Williams.
Or Jalen Williams
Posted on 4/28/25 at 6:03 pm to Dantheman504
The real question is:
IF you offered PHX a trade for us to pair Booker w/ Zion, how many 1sts do you give them in a package that includes Herb/ CJ/ Jose?
IF you offered PHX a trade for us to pair Booker w/ Zion, how many 1sts do you give them in a package that includes Herb/ CJ/ Jose?
This post was edited on 4/28/25 at 6:06 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:35 am to Dantheman504
didn’t realize MIL was in such a bad spot draft wise
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quote:article in the ringer today calling for them to trade giannis
Their first-round pick in this year’s draft belongs to the Brooklyn Nets. In 2026, the New Orleans Pelicans have swap rights. In 2027, their first goes to either New Orleans or Atlanta. In 2028, the Portland Trail Blazers or Washington Wizards have swap rights. In 2029, it goes to either Portland or Washington. In 2030, Portland has swap rights
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:41 am to cgrand
the haul they would get from Giannis would be worth it. Biggest trade ever probably
Posted on 4/29/25 at 4:20 pm to Dantheman504
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Jose/ Olynyk/ Karlo easily carry them out of the bottom 5
Respectfully said, I think you are vastly overvaluing these guys, and I love Jose.
Find me 5 teams with a worse 6-8 or 7-9 than those three.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 4:24 pm to SEC Doctor
Charlotte, Lakers, Jazz, Wizards, Suns?
Several of those teams are severely depleted for rotation players.
Several of those teams are severely depleted for rotation players.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 4:28 pm to cgrand
The trade for dame was an all in push, but they traded the wrong player (holiday over Middleton).
Lopez finally hit the cliff for his age.
They need to move giannis to OKC for some picks and 1 or 2 of chet/will.
Lopez finally hit the cliff for his age.
They need to move giannis to OKC for some picks and 1 or 2 of chet/will.
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 4:35 pm to teke184
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Charlotte, Lakers, Jazz, Wizards, Suns?
Some of those are equally bad, but most are probably just as good with more upside.
It's amazing how fast the Pels went from being a good team with a very deep roster to having a pretty shitty bench.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 4:42 pm to SEC Doctor
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I think you are vastly overvaluing these guys,
I think this whole conversation is vastly overvaluing bench players considering many of these arguments would depend on external factors like who they play with and who they play against.
There are several NBA teams top heavy at 1-6 and with rough benches.
I actually think Karlo with the right system/ development could easily be in the 6th man of the year conversation next year. Jose/ Olynyk are serviceable to average at worst.
Karlo averaged 13pts and 5.5reb per 20min the last 8 games of the season.
You can't say "our bench is bad because they got fricked up by starters all year" while other bench players matched up with lesser players and/ or actually played with their best players.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 9:39 pm to Dantheman504
Giannis tried to fight everybody associated with the Pacers tonight. Man is frustrated
Posted on 4/30/25 at 10:21 am to saintsfan22
Athletic article is also suggestin trading Giannis. From the article:
"They have no good young players and no draft assets, and their annual wrestling match with the collective bargaining agreement’s second-apron threshold results in more losses at the margins every year. The Bucks’ two best players after Antetokounmpo are free agents (Brook Lopez and Bobby Portis). Of the two highest-paid players under contract after Antetokounmpo, one may miss all of next season and be 36 when he returns for 2026-27 (Lillard) and the other isn’t any good (Kyle Kuzma)."
Also more relevant, comparing situation to Nets trading back for their draft picks so they can actually tank:
"Milwaukee could pursue a similar plan only by trading with the New Orleans Pelicans to get back their 2026 pick swap and the top-four portion of its 2027 unprotected first. However, the “fifth through 30th” piece has already been sent to Atlanta. Still, such a move would give the Bucks two bites at the apple on high picks while they waited for their cap situation to clean out. But again, there is only one team they can execute this trade with, and players aren’t exactly jonesing to get to New Orleans. It would almost have to be a sidebar to a primary trade that sent Giannis someplace else; imagine a deal, for instance, where the Bucks get draft picks for Giannis and trade some of them to the Pelicans to regain access to their own picks."
The rest gets into potential Giannis trades but not how that could fit into a Pels trade.
"They have no good young players and no draft assets, and their annual wrestling match with the collective bargaining agreement’s second-apron threshold results in more losses at the margins every year. The Bucks’ two best players after Antetokounmpo are free agents (Brook Lopez and Bobby Portis). Of the two highest-paid players under contract after Antetokounmpo, one may miss all of next season and be 36 when he returns for 2026-27 (Lillard) and the other isn’t any good (Kyle Kuzma)."
Also more relevant, comparing situation to Nets trading back for their draft picks so they can actually tank:
"Milwaukee could pursue a similar plan only by trading with the New Orleans Pelicans to get back their 2026 pick swap and the top-four portion of its 2027 unprotected first. However, the “fifth through 30th” piece has already been sent to Atlanta. Still, such a move would give the Bucks two bites at the apple on high picks while they waited for their cap situation to clean out. But again, there is only one team they can execute this trade with, and players aren’t exactly jonesing to get to New Orleans. It would almost have to be a sidebar to a primary trade that sent Giannis someplace else; imagine a deal, for instance, where the Bucks get draft picks for Giannis and trade some of them to the Pelicans to regain access to their own picks."
The rest gets into potential Giannis trades but not how that could fit into a Pels trade.
This post was edited on 4/30/25 at 10:23 am
Posted on 4/30/25 at 11:16 am to Parrish
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Milwaukee could pursue a similar plan only by trading with the New Orleans Pelicans to get back their 2026 pick swap and the top-four portion of its 2027 unprotected first.
Would take a lot to let them wriggle off that hook. The are potentially a Giannis trade away from being one of the worst teams in the league. Even if they get back 2 solid starters in a deal, they are still a sub-30 win team. Get back less than that, and they are a sub-20 win team.
And it looks like Brook Lopez is an unrestricted free agent, so he would likely be gone as well.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 11:30 am to SEC Doctor
Only consolation for them is that we are in shite shape ourselves.
Unless we have a major turnaround, they will still have a lottery pick. Just probably not as great of one as they should get.
Unless we have a major turnaround, they will still have a lottery pick. Just probably not as great of one as they should get.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 11:53 am to Parrish
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However, the “fifth through 30th” piece has already been sent to Atlanta. Still
Is this right? If so that Dyson trade is looking worse by the minute. Tried to tell yall it wasn’t a good trade.
If we still suck, Hawks may end up with a really good pick in the 5-8 area.
This post was edited on 4/30/25 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 4/30/25 at 12:17 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:
Is this right? If
I don't think so in the way it's being worded there.
We are sending whichever pick is worst, our own or the Bucks, to Atlanta.
So we own whichever pick is best between our own 2027 1st and the Bucks, and we should be able to send that back to Milwaukee in a trade if we wanted to.
We can essentially give them back their 2026 1st, and then give them whichever pick is better, their own or ours for 2027.
I think we would be stupid to not try to get involved with a trade of Giannis, and we should be playing extreme hardball with them b/c their 2026 1st is going to be extremely valuable if they are trading Giannis.
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so that Dyson trade is looking worse by the minute.
It was always an overpay, which was the norm with our idiot GM we no longer have.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 5:21 am to SEC Doctor
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Would take a lot to let them wriggle off that hook. The are potentially a Giannis trade away from being one of the worst teams in the league. Even if they get back 2 solid starters in a deal, they are still a sub-30 win team. Get back less than that, and they are a sub-20 win team
There is always way too much over exaggeration to events. The Bucks can reset or rebuild to respectability within a couple of years, if they target the right team.
I can see the Rockets as the team the Bucks focus. They have a ton of assets, plus they can potentially pair Giannis with Durant, and some other great pieces.
I just saw a projected deal where the Bucks got #9, Green, JSJ, Reed, Whitmore, and 2 more 1sts. That might be on the low side.
Let's say instead they get Sengun, Thompson, Reed and some picks, that is a quick reset with high upside. They might potentially still be a play in team in the East, depending on how they fill out the rest of the roster. The Lillard part will be interesting. There is no doubt he's taking that option (2026). But he's going to want to leave. Would he negotiate his way out of it, say take half to be let go?
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:34 pm to brmark70816
I’ve been playing around with the trade machine making up a way Houston could pair Giannis and Durant, because I think this is likely to happen, while getting everyone else what they would want. Best I could come up with where I think all teams involved probably say yes (this would depend on Giannis, KD and Ja asking for trades):
Rockets: Durant, Giannis
Suns: Sengun, Reed Sheppard, their picks from Houston
Bucks: Jalen Green, CJ, their picks from Pels, picks from Houston
Pels: JSJ, Ja Morant
Grizzlies: Herb Jones, Dillon Brooks, 2 picks from Houston
Rockets: Durant, Giannis
Suns: Sengun, Reed Sheppard, their picks from Houston
Bucks: Jalen Green, CJ, their picks from Pels, picks from Houston
Pels: JSJ, Ja Morant
Grizzlies: Herb Jones, Dillon Brooks, 2 picks from Houston
This post was edited on 5/1/25 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:44 pm to Soggymoss
FTR, their “picks from Pels” would be the 2026 swap and our 2027 first (swap rights w Milwaukee, Atlanta gets worst if both aren’t in top 4).
I don’t see Ja and Jabari Smith Jr as being worth two likely high firsts.
I don’t see Ja and Jabari Smith Jr as being worth two likely high firsts.
Posted on 5/1/25 at 12:58 pm to Soggymoss
I’m not sure Durant is worth all of that. If I’m the Rox, I wouldn’t pay that much for him.
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