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re: Coaching Prospect: Dan Craig. Get on board the hype train.
I may have misunderstood, I thought he was saying Spo has only been good with superstars.


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re: Coaching Prospect: Dan Craig. Get on board the hype train.
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I may have misunderstood, I thought he was saying Spo has only been good with superstars


I got the opposite impression. Stro was an unheralded hire, not another rerun. They took a chance on the up-and-comer, which paid off.


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re: Coaching Prospect: Dan Craig. Get on board the hype train.
Another note:

Miami is known for one big thing: conditioning. They have one of the most rigorous conditioning tests in the NBA and are almost always the best conditioned team.

If we can bring that here...


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re: Coaching Prospect: Dan Craig. Get on board the hype train.
You don't have to pile on anymore. He should be the #1 candidate.


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re: Coaching Prospect: Dan Craig. Get on board the hype train.
Unfortunately I do not think he will be. I think they will go with a more experienced, "safer" choice but one that won't want any power either.

I hope I'm wrong.


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re: Coaching Prospect: Dan Craig. Get on board the hype train.
Who has more experience? Are you talking about head coach experience?


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re: Coaching Prospect: Dan Craig. Get on board the hype train.
Yes.

Or an older guy.


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re: Coaching Prospect: Dan Craig. Get on board the hype train.
I agree i think Griff wants someone he can somewhat control. That sounds like a bad way to say it, but i think it's more just having someone that has the same vision for the teams future and is willing to accept losses to do the "right thing" at times.


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re: Coaching Prospect: Dan Craig. Get on board the hype train.
I personally think Spolestra got a lot better as a coach once Lebron left. You can just tell he was very timid early on, I think dude is a helluva coach


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re: Coaching Prospect: Dan Craig. Get on board the hype train.
A couple of things. I love that this guy started from the bottom. Spoelstra and Nick Nurse are a couple of coaches with a ton of recent success, with arguably the two best "cultures" in the league, who have taken a long and grueling journey to get where they are. This is a great article with a really good Spoelstra quote:
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“DC is much like myself, he started at the bottom,” said Spoelstra. “Learning the business from the video room of the Miami Heat is different, to say the least. The workload, the expectations, everything behind the scenes — it’s grunt work. It’s not for everybody. We’ve had a lot of people that quit and said this just wasn’t for them, but those that have been able to survive it end up gaining such an incredible wealth of knowledge in this profession at all levels. That’s scouting, that’s player development, that’s strategy tactics. (Craig) is extremely polished now, he’s done basically everything, including coaching at Sioux Falls (Miami’s G-League affiliate) and he’s somebody that I lean on a lot. I lean on him like he’s a head coach, but he’s also one of my closest friends.”

Regarding Miami's conditioning program, that's something I've been reading a lot about. This is a great article that is worth reading the whole way through. There are a ton of great quotes throughout:
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Waiters trimmed his body fat percentage by nearly five percent from the start of the season to now.

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Each player has specific goals that are customized for them, but the team goal is for everyone to fall under 10 percent body fat. What happens if a player doesn’t meet his goal? When asked, one Heat player laughed and said he didn’t know because every player on the roster met their goals – mainly because they were too scared to find out the consequences.

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In addition to working hard in the gym and on the court, the team tries to help players eat right. Breakfast is provided to the players every day and, on gamedays, lunch and a pre-game spread is also available. Players are encouraged to eat home-cooked meals as opposed to going out to restaurants, and they’re taught to be conscious of what they’re putting in their body. These lessons are especially important for young players or former D-League players since they’re accustomed to eating cheap foods (AKA fast food and processed junk).

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over the years, they’ve been willing to take risks on players who had weight issues – from Dexter Pittman to Eddy Curry to Shaquille O’Neal. When Curry was in Miami, he lost 100 lbs. and got back to his high school weight.

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[James Johnson] had the biggest transformation of any player this season, losing nearly 40 lbs. and dropping his body fat percentage by eight percent.

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[Wayne Ellington] weighed 222 pounds with a body fat percentage of 12 percent. Last month, he said he’s at 203 pounds and 6.5 percent body fat.

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One former player told a story about Dwyane Wade reporting to camp weighing around 230 lbs. and telling Riley that he bulked up. Riley responded, “No, you’re fat.”

Obviously the reason I posted all of these quotes about body fat and diet is because Zion has been out of shape since he got here. It would be great to have a culture that holds everyone accountable for taking great care of their body. However, I found a Heat fan's opinion on reddit that was interesting to me:
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But, underlying this is the fact that first time players in the Heat system seems to become more prone to sickness, or even worse, prone to injury. This is because of Overtraining. The 2014-2015 and the 2016-2017 season were both wrought with injuries. It's not coincidence that we had multiple new guys in the rotation who probably never were given serious conditioning nor did they have the amount of physical workload during their days playing overseas/in the d-league/or in the bench of another team. It's an overload of physical stresses that lead to impaired performance, impaired immune system, and impaired structural integrity of the body. Imo, this is why Dragic was slumping hard early after he visited in Slovenia and didn't get to play with his country's team. This is also why Wade got hurt in 2014-2015 after losing weight DURING the season. It's hard enough to maintain strength and speed gains while losing weight, do it trying to stay competitive makes it doubly hard. This is also why Luke Babbitt has frequent back spasms. Why Gerald Green started so hot but fizzled into nothing for us. His body legit could not handle the workload. Why we get so many guys falling sick for no reason to illness when athletes usually have an increased immune system boost because of their physical fitness. The Heat guys do become overtrained, specially if they are new to the system.

Note that this is not the only criticism of the Heat's conditioning program. The HoopsHype article I linked to earlier talked about how there are free agents who specifically do not want to go to Miami because of the demands.

The grueling conditioning program of the Heat seems a little bit antithetical to the approach of Aaron Nelson and his staff with regards to injury prevention. It would be interesting to see if there was any friction between a coach coming from the Heat organization wanting to install their conditioning culture, which may have a history of initially overtraining/injuring guys, and our training staff, which is on the forefront of injury prevention and very conservative in ramping up conditioning.

Conditioning is hugely important in any sport, and gives an edge late in games, and late in the season when others are tired. Obviously with Zion, conditioning will be one of the deciding factors in whether or not he lives up to his potential. At the same time, remaining healthy will also be one of the deciding factors in whether or not he lives up to his potential. I think we were all a little frustrated with Zion's minutes restriction in the bubble, but then I look at guys like Jonathan Isaac (who will miss all of next season as well), Ben Simmons, and Jaren Jackson Jr. and I completely agree with why our training staff took the approach that they did in trying to avoid a longer-term soft tissue injury.

Ultimately I am sure there is a way that you can have both rigorous conditioning and smart injury prevention. Maybe with Zion you focus more on diet than vomit-inducing workouts. But it's worth noting that this forum may be more on board with the Heat's grueling conditioning program than David Griffin, who worked in Phoenix for 17 years and is aligned with Aaron Nelson's more conservative philosophy.


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GynoSandberg
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re: Coaching Prospect: Dan Craig. Get on board the hype train.
Funny how some candidates with similar resumes have their credentials questions

Why do we cast a wide net and give Craig credit for development? Are we prepared to give every possible candidate credit for a young player’s development. No Craig

Like Bam Adebayo credits Juwan Howard with his development. Don’t see anything linking Craig to him

Just read a Duncan Robinson article and Chris Quinn (assistant coach and director of player development) and Rob Fodor (shooting coach) were mentioned as key players in Robinson’s development

Nothing on Craig and Kendrick Nunn. Will Bynum sounds like a big influence here

Chris Quinn’s name comes up again as “spending countless hours“ with Herro

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I think we can all agree at this point that Miami is an excellent organization, that preaches player development and conditioning more than anything. Erik Spoelstra has proven to be a very good coach, and Miami has a culture.


Most coveted assistants seem to come from good organizations, coached, culture I think


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re: Coaching Prospect: Dan Craig. Get on board the hype train.
He's credited with it because he literally had the title "Assistant Coach - Player Development" for quite a few years.

You can start a thread on those other candidates. I'm not knocking them here, simply talking about a potential candidate. I'd love to hear about more guys and in particular ones with similar or better credentials that you're interested in.

I planned on starting threads on a few different guys. You can certainly do the same.


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re: Coaching Prospect: Dan Craig. Get on board the hype train.
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He's credited with it because he literally had the title "Assistant Coach - Player Development" for quite a few years.


5 years ago? That’s fine. Just searching for something tangible. I’m just trying to see if he gets credit for being instrumental in any guy’s development. Like I said, I’ve seen Quinn and Hodor mentioned a lot

I do believe being apart of a good staff and organization are good qualities of an assistant. Just know Craig is one of Spoelstra’s best friends. Do we have any insight to what other people think about him?


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re: Coaching Prospect: Dan Craig. Get on board the hype train.
I cannot find the information on specific players he has developed either just that he gets credit for some of it.

Pop put him on his staff in 2018 for Team USA. So obviously Pop thought something of him (Spoelstra recommended him to Pop).

Mosley, Udoka, and Vanterpool were also on that staff.


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re: Coaching Prospect: Dan Craig. Get on board the hype train.
I would like to reiterate that I want Dan Craig to be our couch.


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re: Coaching Prospect: Dan Craig. Get on board the hype train.
You’re all welcome to the Dan Craig fan club. We do not discriminate


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re: Coaching Prospect: Dan Craig. Get on board the hype train.
The Heat’s philosophy of over conditioning vs. Nelson’s philosophy of putting everything in bubble wrap. They balance each other out.


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re: Coaching Prospect: Dan Craig. Get on board the hype train.
Toughness and coaching MATTERS


Fun Bunch
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re: Coaching Prospect: Dan Craig. Get on board the hype train.
We need to get us some of that culcha


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re: Coaching Prospect: Dan Craig. Get on board the hype train.
Didn’t realize Chris Quinn was born in Nola. Interesting


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