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re: Christian Wood averaging 23/11 on 54% shooting
Posted on 1/4/21 at 8:51 am to NOSHAU
Posted on 1/4/21 at 8:51 am to NOSHAU
If we wouldn't have traded for Adams our defense would be trash just like Houston's. Adams is game changing on defense, especially with the true centers being a dying breed.
Wood would be a constant turnstile and look almost as lost as Hayes on that side. So we'd be trading one of the best defensive teams in the league for a potential high flying offense, which doesn't really fit with SVG.
So then do we even have SVG? Could Gentry have been just good enough to stay longer with Wood? I don't like that scenario at all. I'm grateful it played out how it did. We are a better team for it.
Wood would be a constant turnstile and look almost as lost as Hayes on that side. So we'd be trading one of the best defensive teams in the league for a potential high flying offense, which doesn't really fit with SVG.
So then do we even have SVG? Could Gentry have been just good enough to stay longer with Wood? I don't like that scenario at all. I'm grateful it played out how it did. We are a better team for it.
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Posted on 1/4/21 at 8:59 am to Bronc
It's a topic that gets brought up in a lot of other threads. It honestly didn't need it's own thread with how often it's brought up. And then it's the same shite that needs to be trudge through in the other threads. Over and over.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 9:02 am to NOSHAU
quote:
So, playing your "what if" game - do you anticipate the Pelicans would have gone into the tax to keep him had we not granted his release? Do you think he would have been fine being Adams' backup or are you assuming we would not have traded for Adams?
Keep in mind the timeline here.
Wood left last season.
We had Wood on a non-guaranteed contract. Griff went out and drafted two bigs, signed a Euro out of his contract, guaranteeing two years despite never playing in the NBA, then partially guaranteed Okafor.
The wise move would have been to forgo the unknown Euro, recognize what you have in Wood after his performance and skillset was a clear compliment and need, and pull a Hinkie with Covington or Demps and BDJ(RIP). My guess is if you offered Wood 2 + 1 at 4 or 5 million he signs in a heartbeat considering he was out chasing 1.5. Pay him like he is your slightly more proven Melli, which he was. Then you have control to use him as an asset or see how he develops alongside this team the next couple seasons taking on a Ryno type role.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 9:04 am to bonethug0180
quote:
It's a topic that gets brought up in a lot of other threads. It honestly didn't need it's own thread with how often it's brought up. And then it's the same shite that needs to be trudge through in the other threads. Over and over.
So it’s got it’s own topic now so it can be discussed away from other stuff more effectively, and yet you all are still letting yourself get triggered by it and coming in to post about how we need people to shut up and stop talking about the thing they can actively avoid....while also having to carve out space for their two cents.
Here’s a thought, just don’t read and post in it if the conversation bothers you this much lol! But it seems you do have thoughts so isn’t it nice to have a space where that can take place instead of randomly thrown into other threads?
This post was edited on 1/4/21 at 9:06 am
Posted on 1/4/21 at 9:27 am to Bronc
I initially came in because this didn't need it's own thread (because it's still being bantered about in others), but then a couple of people made some new points that I thought were interesting but they aren't being discussed. Just the same old tired points.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 9:32 am to Bronc
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We had Wood on a non-guaranteed contract. Griff went out and drafted two bigs, signed a Euro out of his contract, guaranteeing two years despite never playing in the NBA, then partially guaranteed Okafor.
and Wood's deal ended last year, so that's the only timeframe that really matters. even if we don't go for Melli/Okafor, we only had him under contract for that year
the question is if you think we pay him $10M+ starting this year, and how we accomplish that and what we have to do differently
quote:
The wise move would have been to forgo the unknown Euro, recognize what you have in Wood after his performance and skillset was a clear compliment and need, and pull a Hinkie with Covington or Demps and BDJ(RIP). My guess is if you offered Wood 2 + 1 at 4 or 5 million he signs in a heartbeat considering he was out chasing 1.5. Pay him like he is your slightly more proven Melli, which he was. Then you have control to use him as an asset or see how he develops alongside this team the next couple seasons taking on a Ryno type role.
this for a guy who asked us to release him?
Posted on 1/4/21 at 9:42 am to SlowFlowPro
This got me thinking - Ish Smith was the original Christian Wood on Pels talk
We traded him for a 2nd to Philly, and he went on to put up like 15/7/4 the rest of the season for the 6ers. He was one the people couldn’t let go after that
We traded him for a 2nd to Philly, and he went on to put up like 15/7/4 the rest of the season for the 6ers. He was one the people couldn’t let go after that
Posted on 1/4/21 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
Right. I keep seeing it argued Wood vs. Okafor, Hayes, etc., but not the true argument where if he wasn't a bitch about competing for minutes and showed out, if and how would we keep him, and how does that affect everything else that happened.
Does Gentry stay instead? Would we get SVG for a team that only had really Ball and Jrue as good defenders? Would we trade Jrue? Would we go after the same trade if we did, and if so how does Wood now fit with Adams? Does he get paid more as a surefire starter instead of a role player, if he proved he could be that? Would it be keeping him vs. Ingram?
There's a whole load of alternate universes where things would be very different if he stayed and competed. He didn't though. He wanted out and went to a shite team where he could try to be a focus, and still took time to get on the floor because of how shite his defense was.
Does Gentry stay instead? Would we get SVG for a team that only had really Ball and Jrue as good defenders? Would we trade Jrue? Would we go after the same trade if we did, and if so how does Wood now fit with Adams? Does he get paid more as a surefire starter instead of a role player, if he proved he could be that? Would it be keeping him vs. Ingram?
There's a whole load of alternate universes where things would be very different if he stayed and competed. He didn't though. He wanted out and went to a shite team where he could try to be a focus, and still took time to get on the floor because of how shite his defense was.
This post was edited on 1/4/21 at 9:46 am
Posted on 1/4/21 at 9:47 am to GynoSandberg
i think it was Maciej Lampe
in all seriousness, i just looked him up and he's still playing pro ball in Europe
in all seriousness, i just looked him up and he's still playing pro ball in Europe
Posted on 1/4/21 at 9:48 am to GynoSandberg
Wood is in a great spot with really strong perimeter play to allow him to have all kinds of space to work with from 18ft in. The fit in Houston is perfect for his skillset.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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even if we don't go for Melli/Okafor, we only had him under contract for that year
Non-guaranteed
Griff had the means and all the leverage to get Wood into a new team friendly contract had he recognized what he had as a prospect. Just like Hinkie with Covington or us with BDJ.
Griff didn’t, that’s on him. We don’t need to be making up head cannon to slander Wood to defend Griff’s mistake in judgement. Griff made the moves he did by signing five other bigs to some form of a guarantee, and Wood and his agent made the rational decision to ask Griff what was up and the result was a release where he was able to go to Detroit and have a cleaner chance to compete for a roster spot and a bigger payday as well.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 9:58 am to Bronc
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Griff had the means and all the leverage to get Wood into a new team friendly contract had he recognized what he had as a prospect.
see this is where your argument falls completely apart
you're assuming that he signs for some insanely low deal when every action he's taken since that breakout to end 19 says he wouldn't
i mean hell he was a FREE AGENT and didn't get anywhere near that sort of deal last year. hell, he didn't even really play until the end of last year and got more than twice what you're assuming he'd sign for here. it makes no sense
our best case scenario is we get him for 1 year (last year) on a cheap deal and he is a 3rd or 4th big. maybe with zion's early injury he gets more run and Gentry pairs them when Zion returns. then what? keep Gentry? pay him $10M+/year after favors leaves?
Jrue
Ball
Ingram
Zion
Wood
you think we can make the playoffs with that?
Posted on 1/4/21 at 10:01 am to Bronc
I'm not policing anyone, flame away. But you inject it into every point and debate. I used the Randle example. Imagine if we would have kept him. That would have blocked the Jazz from signing Bogdanovic. We could have signed Bogdanovic. We would have 5 potential 20+ scorers (Holiday, Ingram, Bogdanovic, Zion and Randle). Totally loaded. But nobody ever brings that up.. Cause hindsight is easy..
Posted on 1/4/21 at 10:09 am to GynoSandberg
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This got me thinking - Ish Smith was the original Christian Wood on Pels talk
Cashing out Ish for some picks is probably one of the smarter down roster moves Demps made...Which is also kind of sad
Ish is fine for what he is and for all his faults, Demps was great at finding those types of unheralded role players in between the cracks of the league(Cunningham, Ish, Lopez, Vasquez, Morrow, Seth Curry, BDJ, James Ennis, Christian Wood etc) but he was often very bad at actually locking up or taking advantage of the talent he found and getting a solid ROI or just letting them go to chase worse versions of the player they had(Ex. letting Ennis go to Memphis on the cheap to pay Solo 11 million, trading Lopez for nothing to pay for the privilege of anchoring our team to Evans and eventually Asik because of the hole it created).
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
you're assuming that he signs for some insanely low deal when every action he's taken since that breakout to end 19 says he wouldn't
He was essentially in the same place Josh Hart is in this year, and Hart bet on himself instead of signing for less. With Wood's mentality (based on his actions preceeding and since) he definitely would have bet on himself. He did and he won.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 1:21 pm to bonethug0180
Why cant saints and pels fans just fricking let players go?
Posted on 1/30/21 at 9:35 pm to LosLobos111
Bump
Posted on 1/30/21 at 9:42 pm to bonethug0180
quote:Just for the record, since the Harden trade Houston has one of the best defenses in the league.
If we wouldn't have traded for Adams our defense would be trash just like Houston's.
Posted on 1/30/21 at 10:02 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:
Andrew Lopez
@_Andrew_Lopez
Christian Wood: “It was definitely something of a revenge game. Some of the coaches are still there. Griff is still there. I wanted to show them what they missed out on.”
Posted on 1/30/21 at 10:05 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:Yep
Just for the record, since the Harden trade Houston has one of the best defenses in the league.
Since losing Harden, who wasn't even trying, Houston has been a much better defense with Wood at C than the Pels are with Adams at C.
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